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Last edited by Christian3; 07-11-2020, 02:55 PM.
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Originally posted by Trucker View PostNot if read in context, ma'am. Your question to which my above quoted question was addressed was: When read in the context of your question my answer is correctly understood as an offer to clarify for you.Originally posted by Trucker View PostMa'am, there are passages the Jews evidently don't want to understand
Originally posted by Trucker View PostThree separate Beings, ALL DISPLAYING DIVINE ATTRIBUTES! A TRIUNITY, MY DEAR!Originally posted by Trucker View PostThe fact is the Trinity is a Scriptural teaching, ma'am. Whether you can see it, or are determined NOT To see it, is there right where you overlook it multiple times!
Originally posted by Trucker View PostTake the quotes I posted showing Paul's agreement with Jesus' teachings for one great example!
It must be recognised that it was Paul who created Christianity as a new religious cult separate from Judaism and he achieved this by conflating existing Judaic and Hellenistic concepts into a powerful and all embracing system, sufficient to enable the development of a completely new world religion, being by its nature, both acceptable and intelligible to Graeco-Roman society.
Originally posted by Trucker View PostFor another, your dismissal of Doctor Daniel Wallace's commentary on a passage!! One of the most acclaimed teachers of Koine Greek and so recognized by his peers ... but simple hand waved off by you! Excuse me. but I willl take Dr. Wallace's pronouncements over yours anything and anywhere!!"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostSorry, I cannot help you with your lack of reading comprehension skills.
The fact is that you are alleging the existence of something that is not to be found in either the Hebrew or Christian scriptures.
It just ain't there no matter how much you attempt to manipulate the texts and maintain otherwise."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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And orthodox Christianity says, "That's correct. So what?"
Trinity is a word we use to describe how God works, based on our observations of what our sacred writings say. The concept of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are described in the Scriptures, and attested to as early as the second century. Not all who look to the Scriptures as authority agree with the concept of Trinity (Apostolics, for example) and they come up with their own theory (does the word Modalism appear in the texts by the way?)
Many of us said that repeatedly- even in THIS thread I think!
Your complaint is ludicrous on the face of it already.
I expect your response will be that the texts are unreliable but opinions will magically authenticate passages one chooses to look at. Since the teaching of the Father/Son/ Holy Spirit is very much in the Church from the very beginning you already have a very tough job ahead of you. That's why many of the Christians here aren't taking you very seriously - history is on their side.Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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The word "Bible" is not in the Bible either, but that is because Bible is English and not Greek. Trinity is originally Latin. The word does not need to appear for the concept to appear. Pi is in the OT even though the word is not used.
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Originally posted by Jaltus View PostThe word "Bible" is not in the Bible either, but that is because Bible is English and not Greek. Trinity is originally Latin. The word does not need to appear for the concept to appear. Pi is in the OT even though the word is not used.Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostI did not dismiss his remarks. However, he is merely one among many other commentators. Most scholars present their informed opinions, reasoned arguments and subsequent conclusions - they do not make "pronouncements". I merely observed that he appears to demonstrate a significant degree of theological bias from which he seems unable to distance himself.
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Bias, preconceptions and subjective prejudices affect everyone's assertions and contributions here. And HA seems to be fully drenched in her prejudices and bias to deconstruct, dismantle and indeed destroy historic Christianity, not because of the facts but despite of the verifiable facts.
At all cost..and hell-bent.
She is loathe to even admit there is a historic Christian narrative from the very beginning of the first century A.D. elicitable to verifiable facts from both Christian sources and even non-Christian ones.
And that certainly clouds her biased opinions from beginning to the end.
Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostHow do you determine who has views of God that don't interfere with their study of the New Testament? The atheistic view of God will certainly bias such interpretations of the New Testament ... and may likely lead these atheists to create weird conspiracy theories to affirm this atheistic notion.
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Like claiming Dan Wallace's conclusions as allegedly being more influenced by his bias than his verifiable and objective research.
That's just because his conclusions do NOT square and resonate with HA's opinions and theories - and of others like hers.
That is just simply intellectual intolerance but certainly not scholastic integrity, and therefore should be taken with less than half a pinch of salt..😉😄☝️
Originally posted by Dan Zebiri View PostBias, preconceptions and subjective prejudices affect everyone's assertions and contributions here. And HA seems to be fully drenched in her prejudices and bias to deconstruct, dismantle and indeed destroy historic Christianity, not because of the facts but despite of the verifiable facts.
At all cost..and hell-bent.
She is loathe to even admit there is a historic Christian narrative from the very beginning of the first century A.D. elicitable to verifiable facts from both Christian sources and even non-Christian ones.
And that certainly clouds her biased opinions from beginning to the end.
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who was begotten by God the Father at a point in time, a being distinct from the Father and is therefore subordinate to him. Whereas the correct teaching of the Trinity is one God in three eternal, complete, coexistent persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit with none subordinate to the others in any sense.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Arianism
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Originally posted by Jaltus View PostThe word "Bible" is not in the Bible either, but that is because Bible is English and not Greek. Trinity is originally Latin. The word does not need to appear for the concept to appear. Pi is in the OT even though the word is not used.
Nor do I imagine the ancient Israelites had much concept of Greek mathematics."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostJust as a question, from what language do you consider the word "Bible" is derived? The word trinity comes from Latin but the Greek τριας also means three e.g Triangle and Trigonometry.
Nor do I imagine the ancient Israelites had much concept of Greek mathematics.
Yeah....can't even get mad at this. Have a good day.Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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Originally posted by Dan Zebiri View PostLike claiming Dan Wallace's conclusions as allegedly being more influenced by his bias than his verifiable and objective research.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/projection
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Originally posted by Dan Zebiri View PostBias, preconceptions and subjective prejudices affect everyone's assertions and contributions here. And HA seems to be fully drenched in her prejudices and bias to deconstruct, dismantle and indeed destroy historic Christianity, not because of the facts but despite of the verifiable facts.Originally posted by Dan Zebiri View PostBias, preconceptions and subjective prejudices affect everyone's She is loathe to even admit there is a historic Christian narrative from the very beginning of the first century A.D.Originally posted by Dan Zebiri View Postelicitable to verifiable facts from both Christian sources and even non-Christian ones."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Dan Zebiri View PostLike claiming Dan Wallace's conclusions as allegedly being more influenced by his bias than his verifiable and objective research.Originally posted by Dan Zebiri View PostThat's just because his conclusions do NOT square and resonate with HA's opinions and theories - and of others like hers.
One might conclude that your complaints are merely theologically based rancour at having your preconceived beliefs questioned and challenged."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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