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Interpretation the Trinity is polytheistic

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  • #76
    Originally posted by 37818 View Post
    Personhood and deity are not the same concept. From a perspective of awareness God's awareness is like that of infinite persons not just three of the Biblical three persons.
    The concept of personhood just confirms the anthropomorphic concept of the nature of three Gods. Personhood describes three persons.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Tassman View Post
      Well the Christian doctrine of the Holy Trinity holds that God is one God, but three co-eternal con-substantial persons or hypostases—the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit—as "one God in three Divine persons". And as well, the second person of the Holy Trinity (Jesus Christ) is both fully God and fully man in hypostatic union. It's all gobbledygook of course.
      Gobbledygook. That's a good term you can use for any theory of theology or science that you don't comprehend.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
        Gobbledygook. That's a good term you can use for any theory of theology or science that you don't comprehend.
        Not too long ago LJ provided an analogy that I think even the simple-minded can follow:
        Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
        Let's suppose that there is a treaty drawn up between the US and Germany. How many treaties are executed? The answer is three: A treaty executed in English, a treaty executed in German, and a treaty executed in French (which of course is the language of the UN). Every one of the these three treaties is fully the treaty, they are not just copies of the treaty. The English Treaty is fully and actually the treaty apart from and separate from the other two. The French version is fully and actually the treaty...again apart from and separate from the others. At the same time, the German Treaty is also fully and separately the actual treaty. Yet, there is no question that the treaties are different as one is in English, one in French and one in German. So, you have one "Thing", the treaty between the US and Germany can be made up of three "Things" (the English, German and French treaty) where each of them is fully the "Thing" (the treaty) but each of the 3 things are distinct from each other.

        There you have it, three things that are one thing.

        I'm always still in trouble again

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        • #79
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          Not too long ago LJ provided an analogy that I think even the simple-minded can follow:
          Following a simple Simon analogy that is meaningless, and only comforting to those that need the assurance for what they believe is true.

          The belief that the Incarnate God Jesus Christ is seated on the right side of God the Father confirms that they are two distinct and separate persons(?).
          Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
          Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
          But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

          go with the flow the river knows . . .

          Frank

          I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
            The belief that the Incarnate God Jesus Christ is seated on the right side of God the Father confirms that they are two distinct and separate persons(?).
            Well, yes? That's what the doctrine of the Trinity teaches any way, so I'm not sure why you're bringing attention to that fact?

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            • #81
              Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
              The concept of personhood just confirms the anthropomorphic concept of the nature of three Gods. Personhood describes three persons.
              Personhood is integral to any meaningful definition of deity. If you don't believe in a God with the attribute of personhood you don't believe in a God, you believe in some sort of mystical "higher force".

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                Well, yes? That's what the doctrine of the Trinity teaches any way, so I'm not sure why you're bringing attention to that fact?
                "That's what the doctrine of the Trinity teaches" but Bible does not teach so because the Bible teaches only one God in 1 Corinthians 8:4 but in Rev 3:21 Jesus sitting with the Father on his throne proves that there is more than one being so Jesus cannot be God because God is one only.
                Last edited by Same Hakeem; 03-24-2020, 12:21 PM.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                  "That's what the doctrine of the Trinity teaches" but Bible does not teach so because the Bible teaches only one God in 1 Corinthians 8:4 but in Rev 3:21 Jesus sitting with the Father on his throne proves that there is more than one being so Jesus cannot be God because God is one only.
                  You do realize what John saw in Revelation was a vision right? You're not supposed to take visions literally.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                    You do realize what John saw in Revelation was a vision right? You're not supposed to take visions literally.
                    In John 1:2, "He (Jesus) was with God in the beginning" shows the same point that Jesus CANNOT BE GOD and BE WITH GOD because God is only one in 1 Corinthians 8:4.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                      In John 1:2, "He (Jesus) was with God in the beginning" shows the same point that Jesus CANNOT BE GOD and BE WITH GOD because God is only one in 1 Corinthians 8:4.
                      You are quoting that out of context. What version are you using anyway? Here's a full quote from NIV:

                      1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
                      Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post
                        You are quoting that out of context. What version are you using anyway? Here's a full quote from NIV:

                        1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
                        Whether Rev 3:21 or John 1:1, Jesus CANNOT BE GOD because Jesus cannot be God and be with God because God is only one in 1 Corin 8:4.

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                        • #87
                          but Paul says in that same letter, Chapter 8 verse 6:
                          yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

                          The Bible constantly says God is the Creator, and here Paul identifes Jesus as that Creator as well.
                          Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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                          • #88
                            Contrary to what DC Comics thinks, the word "Trinity" does not refer to three separate beings!
                            If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post
                              but Paul says in that same letter, Chapter 8 verse 6:
                              yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

                              The Bible constantly says God is the Creator, and here Paul identifes Jesus as that Creator as well.
                              All over the Bible, God is one. Therefore, Jesus CANNOT BE GOD and be WITH God in John 1:2. Otherwise, this requires having two GODS.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                                All over the Bible, God is one. Therefore, Jesus CANNOT BE GOD and be WITH God in John 1:2. Otherwise, this requires having two GODS.
                                That's not what the evidence says.
                                Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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