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  • #61
    Originally posted by 37818 View Post
    What I understand is as to what makes the Son distinct from the Father is the Son is the actor on behalf of the Father. see John 5:18-19.
    That passage doesn't really say what you posted. It says that the son does whatever the father does. How can the two be one the same being if the one can act/create apart from the other, at that others direction?

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    • #62
      Originally posted by 37818 View Post
      Again, you do not know what you are talking about. Yes, I understand you think you do.

      Jesus explains His deliberate limitation and why, "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power." Acts 1:7.

      They are the very same God, not the same persons. Until you know God, even if you grasp three distinct Persons being the same God, . . .
      Jesus denied to know his second coming hour or day and limited such knowledge to "ONLY THE FATHER" in Matthew 24:36.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
        Jesus denied to know his second coming hour or day and limited such knowledge to "ONLY THE FATHER" in Matthew 24:36.
        That's because there are three distinct minds in one god.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
          Jesus denied to know his second coming hour or day and limited such knowledge to "ONLY THE FATHER" in Matthew 24:36.
          As Jesus explained, ". . . the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power." Acts 1:7.
          . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

          . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

          Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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          • #65
            Originally posted by 37818 View Post
            As Jesus explained, ". . . the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power." Acts 1:7.
            So the mind of the father is omniscient, but the minds of the son and the holy spirit are imperfect and lack knowledge and yet they are one god?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by JimL View Post
              That passage doesn't really say what you posted. It says that the son does whatever the father does. How can the two be one the same being if the one can act/create apart from the other, at that others direction?
              They are the same God not the same Persons. Person does not mean a god.
              . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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              • #67
                Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                As Jesus explained, ". . . the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power." Acts 1:7.
                But still the The Holy Spirit is not God because Jesus made it clear "NO ONE KNOWS THAT DAY OR THAT HOUR not even the angels in heaven nor The Son BUT ONLY THE FATHER" matthew 24:36

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                  They are the same God not the same Persons. Person does not mean a god.
                  So, how exactly do the three alleged co-eternal, con-substantial entities communicate within the one god-head. If they are the "same God" they must at all times know everything the other knows.
                  “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                    So, how exactly do the three alleged co-eternal, con-substantial entities communicate within the one god-head. If they are the "same God" they must at all times know everything the other knows.
                    You naided it.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                      They are the same God not the same Persons. Person does not mean a god.
                      . . . Jesus Christ is considered God incarnate, and in heaven is seated on the right hand of God.
                      Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                      Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                      But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                      go with the flow the river knows . . .

                      Frank

                      I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                        . . . Jesus Christ is considered God incarnate, and in heaven is seated on the right hand of God.
                        Well, Jesus, the son, would be considered one third of god incarnate. I wonder if all three, the father the son and the holy ghost could be incarnate at the same time and could actually speak to one another, human face to human face. Or maybe all 3 could occupy one and the same human body. That'd be wierd. Kinda schizophrenic. Would they still be one god if all 3 persons came down to earth and occupied each a distinct body? Wait a minute, if the trinitarian god, the father, son and the holy ghost, occupied three distinct human bodies, how then could that god be omnipresent? I don't know man, that sure is some strange stuff. I just can't make heads or tails of it.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by JimL View Post
                          Well, Jesus, the son, would be considered one third of god incarnate. I wonder if all three, the father the son and the holy ghost could be incarnate at the same time and could actually speak to one another, human face to human face. Or maybe all 3 could occupy one and the same human body. That'd be wierd. Kinda schizophrenic. Would they still be one god if all 3 persons came down to earth and occupied each a distinct body? Wait a minute, if the trinitarian god, the father, son and the holy ghost, occupied three distinct human bodies, how then could that god be omnipresent? I don't know man, that sure is some strange stuff. I just can't make heads or tails of it.
                          You "just can't make heads or tails of it" for the good reason it is utterly contradictory nonsense. Or, as the Church likes to see it, a divine mystery. But it took three centuries to conclude that the one God is a three-in-one deity containing three equally divine “persons”, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
                          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            You "just can't make heads or tails of it" for the good reason it is utterly contradictory nonsense. Or, as the Church likes to see it, a divine mystery. But it took three centuries to conclude that the one God is a three-in-one deity containing three equally divine “persons”, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
                            Personhood and deity are not the same concept. From a prespective of awareness God's awereness is like that of infinite persons not just three of the Biblical three persons.
                            . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                            . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                            Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                              Personhood and deity are not the same concept. From a prespective of awareness God's awereness is like that of infinite persons not just three of the Biblical three persons.
                              Well the Christian doctrine of the Holy Trinity holds that God is one God, but three co-eternal con-substantial persons or hypostases—the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit—as "one God in three Divine persons". And as well, the second person of the Holy Trinity (Jesus Christ) is both fully God and fully man in hypostatic union. It's all gobbledygook of course.
                              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                              • #75
                                It is agreed that the Father is only true God according to Jesus own words in John 17:1-3.

                                Jesus CANNOT be God because Jesus sat with the Father on his throne in Rev 3:21 so if the Father is God and God is one, Jesus CANNOT be God; otherwise, there were two Gods siting on throne in Rev 3:21.

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