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  • Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
    Yeah, we can almost feel sorry for the guy.
    He seems to be a nervous guy...can't be easy talking knowing people are watching. But I'm crying because what he's saying is not gonna help his case. Starting off with a variation of the swoon theory is NEVER gonna get you points.
    Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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    • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
      I know, the naughty little tykes. Entire Christian communities scripturally justified slave ownership, the intimidation of black people, witch-killing, the subjugation of women in very large numbers and for many generations. These are the fruits of Christianity. Matthew 7:16-20
      People have and will continue to rationalize and justify their misbehavior. It's pretty much human nature to do so. But the part that you cannot and will not address is that in doing so they are going against what is expressly taught. There is no conversion by the sword taught by the Bible. In fact, quite the opposite. That people ignored this and did what they wanted anyways hardly contradicts that fact.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
        Because if he thought his analysis is true, he would want to prove it by debates.
        Why? I can think of numerous academics in a variety of different disciplines who have never felt the overwhelming urge to debate on television.
        "It ain't necessarily so
        The things that you're liable
        To read in the Bible
        It ain't necessarily so
        ."

        Sportin' Life
        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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        • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          He's right on the earliest version of Mark 16. It does cut - for whatever reason - and makes no mention of a resurrection. The writer uses ἠγέρθη not αναστήθηκε.
          Guess this guy never heard of early creeds that mention the death and resurrection of Jesus.

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          • Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post
            Oohhh, be nice.
            That was nice; I could have screamed and torn my hair out. :)

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            • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
              Why? I can think of numerous academics in a variety of different disciplines who have never felt the overwhelming urge to debate on television.
              Doesn't have to be TV.... But they have debates/discussions in colleges (some of which AREN'T filmed) ...etc.
              Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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              • That is not a debate. What do you think of Cresswell?

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                • The bottom line, those making claims against the authenticity of the New Tesament gospel do not know about the actually knowing God on account of genuine Christians believing the New Testament gospel.
                  . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                  . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                  • Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post
                    Doesn't have to be TV.... But they have debates/discussions in colleges (some of which AREN'T filmed) ...etc.
                    Symposia and conferences are also held in universities, your point?
                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                    • Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                      That is not a debate. What do you think of Cresswell?
                      Read the book, then make your informed comments.
                      "It ain't necessarily so
                      The things that you're liable
                      To read in the Bible
                      It ain't necessarily so
                      ."

                      Sportin' Life
                      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                      • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                        Symposia and conferences are also held in universities, your point?
                        TV isn't the only place to conduct discussion.

                        The concern is, there isn't any sign he discussed/debated/whatever the points of his work. So, there's no evaluation available. That's the problem.
                        Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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                        • Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                          My frustration was not about the ending of Mark 16 (and even in it's shorter form it still heavily implies a resurrection)
                          There is a Greek word for resurrection but it is not used.

                          Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                          , but about his spurious claim that it was the pagan converts who introduced the concept of Jesus dying and resurrecting rather than Jesus' own disciples.
                          As noted on several occasions, dying and resurrected divinities have no basis in Judaism. We do not know what the actual men who followed Jesus thought about him. This was a Jewish Messianic sect who may have believed [note the caveat] that their leader would be miraculously restored by the Almighty to continue with his mission to establish a Jewish theocracy. However, that is only speculation. Anything they may have written [assuming they could write] disappeared after 70 CE. The closest group to those actual followers might be the Jewish Christian group the Ebionites, this was an early Jewish Christian sect. Irenaeus is the earliest writer we have using the term in his writings condemning a Christian group he deemed heretical because they still kept the Jewish law. As a result of the writings of Irenaeus and others this sect was heavily persecuted by other early Christians.

                          However, the term has an earlier history, having evolved into a sectarian name from the generic biblical Hebrew word, ebyônȋm, meaning ―the poor. The significance of this earlier development has been a subject of discussion and dispute for a long time, particularly in the light of texts discovered from Qumran.

                          Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                          As far as we know the belief in and preaching of Jesus' resurrection arose among Jesus' earliest Jewish disciples.
                          Yet that is still speculative and dependent upon our earliest source, which is Paul.

                          Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                          Most scholars, though they do not necessarily believe the disciples were correct in their assumption, do believe that the disciples had experiences that led them to believe that Jesus had risen from the dead.
                          Only if we accept that what Paul tells us actually occurred as he tells it.

                          There are some scholars [many of whom I agree with on other issues] who do write in reference to [for example] Acts as if this an accurate historical account. For example, citing Paul telling us he came from Tarsus or that he studied with Gamaliel when in point of fact that is the author of Acts putting those words into the mouth of Paul.
                          "It ain't necessarily so
                          The things that you're liable
                          To read in the Bible
                          It ain't necessarily so
                          ."

                          Sportin' Life
                          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                          • Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post
                            TV isn't the only place to conduct discussion.

                            The concern is, there isn't any sign he discussed/debated/whatever the points of his work. So, there's no evaluation available. That's the problem.
                            If you require evaluation read the book for yourself.
                            "It ain't necessarily so
                            The things that you're liable
                            To read in the Bible
                            It ain't necessarily so
                            ."

                            Sportin' Life
                            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                            • Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                              That is not a debate. What do you think of Cresswell?
                              No, that was not a debate reference. Rather about his book. Listening to his video clip, I honestly cannot take him seriously. According Mark's gospel the 14th (Exodus 12:18) of that month (Mark 14:12-16) was explicitly the day before Jesus being crucified.
                              . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                              • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                If you require evaluation read the book for yourself.
                                Well. Based on his video I am not inclined to read the book. I don't want to rehash the gibberish verison of the swoon theory so let me just say I'll wait for somebody who's an expert to weigh in on the likelihood of a pagan roots theory.
                                Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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