Interpretation the Trinity is polytheistic

[Dan Zebiri]

has it descendeddescended who came down from heavenDOWNAnd the Word (Logos) became flesh and dwelt among usSavior is a book

Took on human nature = demigod/God in human form.
demigod-half human half God---Christian formula---fully God, fully human ---either way, the ratio is the same.

No---from the Islamic perspective Both ideas---God "begetting" and God incarnating are equally ridiculous

[Dan Zebiri]

Amen and agreed, Chrawnus!

Ignorant muslims like siam like to blurt & shoot off their mouths first before using their brains.

More intelligent and thinking Muslim scholars are able to accept the fact of the incarnation as parallel concepts, or truths, in both Christianity and Islam - for both are concepts found the the Bible and the Koran.

Muslims condemn their own orthodoxy when the try to deny the incarnation, in short.

This is an incredibly naive and simplistic way to look at it. In the first place, it's not even the same kind of divinity that is being compared. In the case of Christianity we have a theistic God with all that entails (omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, morally perfect etc...) taking on human nature while still retaining full divinity in the theistic meaning of the word, while in the case of pagan mythology we have a completely different sort of anthropomorphic gods siring offspring with the help of mortals and producing half-divine, half-human hybrids.



That seems to me to be a flaw in the Islamic perspective, more than anything else.

[Dan Zebiri]

Jesus Outside
Robert Van Voorst, Jesus Outside 217 (Eerdmans, 2000)

The Bible is not a reliable historical source because it does not meet the standard criteria of source reliability used by historians, namely 'historical critical methodology'.

[Dan Zebiri]

Now, THAT seems to be the problem for islam, when it says in the koran S.6/101:

"HOW can God/Allah have a Son, when He does not have a wife (consort)?"


The sonship - of Jesus Christ - a very important Persona in Islam, or whoever else, in islamic scriptures must necessarily result from a sexual and conjugal relationships. That is what the koran consistently assumes.

For Christians, Jesus Christ was NEVER the Son of God defined or described according to koranic presumptions, ie. resulting from God having sex with Mary and producing their son.

Sons and children of God were "born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of Man, but of GOD." John 1:13.

The koran's prohibition to call Jesus as "Son of God" arises from a sexual taboo and aspersion in Islam and from the writer of the Koran's assumptions.

why not?
the end result of either process is a God in human form?

sex is bad/sin in Christianity?
its not a sin in either Judaism or in Hellenistic cultures right?

[Tassman]

And not all historians or critical Biblical scholars share your view.

According to historian and scholar of scriptures, Professor Robert Van VoorstJesus Outside
Robert Van Voorst, Jesus Outside 217 (Eerdmans, 2000)

[Dan Zebiri]

Non-theistic 'biblical' scholars are equally guided by their bias and preconceived prejudices too.

Or you didnt know..

[Christian3]

why not?
the end result of either process is a God in human form?

sex is bad/sin in Christianity?
its not a sin in either Judaism or in Hellenistic cultures right?

Mary was born of a virgin, siam; even the Qur'an confirms that.

[siam]

Mary was born of a virgin, siam; even the Qur'an confirms that.

???...typo?....???

[Christian3]

???...typo?....???

Typed before I had my first cup of coffee.

Should read Jesus was born of a virgin, siam; even the Qur'an confirms that.

[JimL]

Mary was born of a virgin, siam; even the Qur'an confirms that.

Jesus. Where do you think the Quran got it?

[Christian3]

Where do you think the Quran got it?

[JimL]

According to the teachings of Islam, it came directly from Allah.

But you don't believe that, do you?

[Christian3]

But you don't believe that, do you?

Believe what?

[JimL]

Believe what?

Forget what you're talking about already? Believe that the idea that Jesus was born of a virgin came to Islam directly from Allah?

[JonathanL]

Forget what you're talking about already? Believe that the idea that Jesus was born of a virgin came to Islam directly from Allah?

What point are you even trying to make?