THE thread for climate skeptics.

[Carrikature]

The thing is, that is the norm in my experience. Winter was colder when I was a girl; warmer in my teens and twenties and a mixed bag in my thirties and forties with a turn toward colder in the last few years. Conditions always seem to noticeably change. Either that's evidence or it isn't - and 90% of Nat Sci's crew was screaming that it wasn't just a few years ago. Okay, I accept the premise - but that cuts both ways and it shouldn't be considered as a point of evidence at all.

Again, no one is saying it should be considered a point of evidence. Nothing has changed on that front.

[Teallaura]

So you're actually open to listening to the physical evidence?

Always was - for a bunch of smart guys, you do some dumb things. You here being general - Nat Sci has never been known for its collective ability to keep an argument straight.

I will get back to reading those links because I said I would. I don't have time right now because I have other commitments and real life is really hectic. And when Leo's better and gets back to me, that's probably where it will head, knowing him.

[Teallaura]

Again, no one is saying it should be considered a point of evidence. Nothing has changed on that front.

Really? 'Cause it was a proponent that threw that one out and it looks like that's what Lurch was just arguing in brief*.
























*arguing in the formal, not the confrontational, sense

[Teallaura]

. . . independent of public opinion, politics, and religion.

Ya know, Shuny, if you're trying to increase the number of skeptics exponentially, I think you're doing a good job. Being a total jerk is certainly going to win friends and influence people!...






























































NOT!

[shunyadragon]

Really? 'Cause it was a proponent that threw that one out and it looks like that's what Lurch was just arguing in brief*.

This not clear, As far as observations of physical phenomenon in science is concerned, 'nothing is thrown out,' and do not believe Lurch proposed this.

[Sea of red]

Always was - for a bunch of smart guys, you do some dumb things. You here being general - Nat Sci has never been known for its collective ability to keep an argument straight.

I will get back to reading those links because I said I would. I don't have time right now because I have other commitments and real life is really hectic. And when Leo's better and gets back to me, that's probably where it will head, knowing him.

You can do it somewhere else. Do not come back to this thread.

[seer]

You can do it somewhere else. Do not come back to this thread.

You really are a punk...

[oxmixmudd]

You can do it somewhere else. Do not come back to this thread.

Why? From my perspective she's pretty tame in the grand scheme of things relative to discussions in this forum. Why not give her a chance to look over the links and come back and discuss their content?

Jim

[TheLurch]

Why? From my perspective she's pretty tame in the grand scheme of things relative to discussions in this forum. Why not give her a chance to look over the links and come back and discuss their content?

Yeah, even though i'm bothered by how i feel she's misrepresenting what i'm saying, the goal for me would to end this with some clarity. Hard to get there without any discussion.

[Sea of red]

You really are a punk...

And you're a dumbass.

[Sea of red]

I can't go into detail about why I removed her from the thread. If I do, she'll have the right to keep posting responses.

All I'll say is that I've been on here long enough (eight years) to know a train-wreck when I see one coming. She was discussing politics and I let her go on about it for pages - showing far more patience than I usually do. Several people here tried to steer her back on topic and she just kept making things political. Not only that, she was acting rude towards several of us, and her last shot at myself and Shunny was the last straw. I could see what it was going to degenerate to in a page or so, and that's the reason for my request.

I normally don't do this but then again, Tweb is usually dysfunctional. If I get an opportunity to keep one of my threads more productive by removing unproductive people, then I'll use that right when I need to. Teal was NOT going to focus on the science. She just wanted to play politics. Sorry, this is a science forum - discuss science. I'm not trying to be some dictator but at a certain point you should realize what sub-forum you're in.

So lets get back to discussing the science, shall we?

[mossrose]

You can do it somewhere else. Do not come back to this thread.

Do, you actually don't want opinions from those who disagree with your opinions? What's the point of this thread then?

[mossrose]

I can't go into detail about why I removed her from the thread. If I do, she'll have the right to keep posting responses.

All I'll say is that I've been on here long enough (eight years) to know a train-wreck when I see one coming. She was discussing politics and I let her go on about it for pages - showing far more patience than I usually do. Several people here tried to steer her back on topic and she just kept making things political. Not only that, she was acting rude towards several of us, and her last shot at myself and Shunny was the last straw. I could see what it was going to degenerate to in a page or so, and that's the reason for my request.

I normally don't do this but then again, Tweb is usually dysfunctional. If I get an opportunity to keep one of my threads more productive by removing unproductive people, then I'll use that right when I need to. Teal was NOT going to focus on the science. She just wanted to play politics. Sorry, this is a science forum - discuss science. I'm not trying to be some dictator but at a certain point you should realize what sub-forum you're in.

So lets get back to discussing the science, shall we?

Sort of difficult to separate science from politics regarding this issue, isn't it? After all, every politician decides to deal with it according to "the science".

I think you are nitpicking, frankly. And you don't want to hear dissenting voices.

[shunyadragon]

Do, you actually don't want opinions from those who disagree with your opinions? What's the point of this thread then?

Teallaura did not bring up legitimate scientific objections to thread, which was the purpose of the thread. She presented personal anecdotal experiences of incidents of 'weather,' problems of public opinion and perception of the public of science. Towards the end she resorted to name calling, and this is disruptive to the thread. If you can cite one post where she addresses specific scientific issues, please do.

[mossrose]

Teallaura did not bring up legitimate scientific objections to thread, which was the purpose of the thread. She presented personal anecdotal experiences of incidents of 'weather,' problems of public opinion and perception of the public of science. Towards the end she resorted to name calling, and this is disruptive to the thread. If you can cite one post where she addresses specific scientific issues, please do.

Yeah, well, I don't care enough about climate change to wade through pages of sludge to find posts. I just care whether someone is being tossed out of a thread unfairly.

And stating my opinion on that in the process.