End of the Universe - how relevant is it for us?

[Jazzy]

Hello all,
What do you think about the relevance of the ultimate fate of the universe for us personally?
I read a lot of info and opinions raging from "tisi is the most sad thing to think about" to "it's of no relevance"
What do you guys think?

[shunyadragon]

Hello all,
What do you think about the relevance of the ultimate fate of the universe for us personally?
I read a lot of info and opinions raging from "tisi is the most sad thing to think about" to "it's of no relevance"
What do you guys think?

Welcome to Tweb!!!!

Personally it is not an important issue, but scientifically, philosophically, and theologically it is important.

Physically I believe we are one universe of many (possibly infinite universes) in an Infinite Matrix (IM). The universes begin as singularities, and ultimately diffuse into the IM again to be recycled into other singularities, or cyclically contract and begin again and begin again. This cyclic nature of existence is evident throughout every thing we experience from the smallest to the largest scale. Theologically I believe in a 'Source' some call God(s), and there are cyclic spiritual realms that parallel the physical nature of existence. The present nature of the evidence of our existence is indifferent to the mechanistic theological world views of an anthropomorphic creator. That is why I believe in a natural theology.

[ApologiaPhoenix]

It's important if you're Mossy since barring the Second Coming, she'll probably be around to see it.

[Jazzy]

Ok folks,thank you for the responses.
The reason I opend this thread goes like that.Theistic fundamentalists often say about sceptics/atheists/agnostic : "How it doesn't disturb you to know,that on day the Universe will be dead and everything you've done will be lost and forgrotten?"
Although this point - "everything you've done will be lost and forgrotten" - seems very likely ,it's still under some questions.But let me make some pessimistic clames - and to respond to them
1.There will come time when the Universe will cease to support life
Seems most likely today,but still - some questions persist.There are theory about "entropy gap",so that there always be some energy available.But:
Sun will end LONG before that.And the Earth will end LONG before Sun,and all eveidence demonstrate that Homo Sapiens will be extinct LONG before the Earth.That is the way the Nature works.So,my question: what of your personal effects do you expect to persist till the end of the Universe?
If you have children,that on the timescale of trillions years your genes will be diluted/mutated beyond all recognition/burned out thousand times.Same for most of our works .Whatever majority of us will do will be forgotten in just few generations.Nothing of pessimism - this is the way Life works.

I personally think there IS possibility that some descendant intelligence from ours WILL persist till then,in whatever exotic form,probably artificial intelligence,and THEIR fate is still unclear.Maybe they will find the way around entropy,maybe generate new Universe...who knows?

2.There will come time that all traces of the human race will dissapear.

Again,most likely outcome,but lets separate two things.Actual existence of the human race and the traces that the human race existed.It's two completely different issues.For example,homo sapiens would be subject to extinction as 99.9 of all species lived so far now extinct.Moreover,biology of Homo Sapiens is designed for the Earth environment,not outer space.But,Homo Sapiens can DESIGN his successors,using artificial intelligence,genetic engineering,etc.At that case,Homo Sapiens will go extinct,but his descendants will go on.

So, if some traces of the human race WILL persist,it will be at the form of some intelligence that somehow is derived from us,but very different from us.

3.There will come time when humans will no longer exist.
For me that's most painful point.If previous two points will be proved positive,meaning: 1(universe will continue to support SOME KIND of life forever) and 2(There WILL be traces of the human race in the form of some exotic,unimaginable intelligence) there will come time when nothing remotely human will persist.Very painful - for me,at least. But I try to recnocile myself to that idea like : "This is how Life works.It's not pesimism.It's not nihilism.It's just Reality"

So let me summarize.With all dismal(assumed) picture of the far-future Universe ,the relevance ot it I seriously call into the question,for above reasons.After all,6 billion people cannot be involved into the design of our possible successors who will inherit the stars