The Myth of finding Muhammad in the Bible (Deut. 18:15-18)

[barnasha]

which Gnostic text ever in the history of Christianity presents Jesus as man with several wives?



If they wanted to give Jesus status, why is it that we find in some of verses of the Quran that the "Prophet/Messenger" was incapable of performing miracles?

The bible has Jesus himself say he can do nothing on his own

[mudcake]

Dan Zebiri

I am really LOLLING on the floor at your comical and amusing ignorance of the REAL Gospel and its true message!

No dan it's you who is ignorant of the REAL Gospel that is miscontrued and fabricated in the Greek NT

If you cant refute that refutation of essenism as 'a form of early Christianity', then yes, you MUST spout more nonsensical red herrings to distract people from the truth...!

probably more accurate to say some branches within the essenes group evolved to or may have influenced to form a sect of Christianity during Jesus day

The following are some interesting comments about the essenes and Christians::

"Enough material to fill a small library has now been produced concerning the Essenes; and yet, in spite of all the advantages available to modern scholarship, one of the most accurate analyses of them yet today was published in 1889 and was authored by Frederick William Evans. He maintained that Jesus was heavily influenced by Essene theology and was most likely a member of the order at one time (Larson, The Essene Heritage, p. 21). John Allegro also stated: "The Essenes were, many of them, converted on the day of Pentecost, and formed the body of the Jerusalem Church, with its spiritual origin" (John Allegro, The Dead Sea Scrolls, p. 161). Allegro goes on to say: "the members of the first Christian Church 'were Essenes. They loved one another so that they sold their possessions and had all things in common. They forsook the generative life, with its wives and husbands, for Christ's sake and the Gospel's…" Jesus then, taught celibacy and communism; and the first Jerusalem Church consisted largely of Essenes who came over to Christianity." http://paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfi..._testament.htm

Main point is that independent of the Greek canonical Gospel traditions, there were Jews and Christians that were expecting a prophet to appear after Jesus that was predicted to arrive during the time of Muhammad (p) in Arabia. When Muhammad proclaimed his prophethood, some Jews and Christians recognised the truth of his claims and recognised him as the final prophet of God, according to the prophecies contained in their authoritive scriptures and traditions that existed outside the dubious Greek Gospel traditions.....

muddy...

[JCourage]

Nice try. The verse I posted has it that Jesus, who is identified as an apostle of God, proclaims the arrival of another apostle of God whose name would be Ahmed. There is no mention of a Spirit in that verse.

Moreover, you didn't address the questions I asked you previously. There are several places in the Quran wherein the Messenger is directly addressed in the context of wars, marriage and other social issues. For instance, 33:28 says, "O Prophet ! say to thy wives, `If you desire the life of this world and its adornment, come then, I will provide for you and send you away in a handsome manner;"

If the above is a reference to Jesus, then which Gnostic book has it that Jesus had several wives.

Why do you call Jesus: "Apostle of God"? What is your Biblical foundation for this phrase?

Hello? Jesus is the CHRIST - the one and only Messiah promised in the OT to save us from blood guilt! (Muhammad saved no one, including himself;)

In The New Evidence that Demands a Verdict, Josh McDowell listed seven things that people could (and should!) expect from the Savior of the world:

(1) an utterly unique entrance into human history (prophecy and virgin birth);

(2) the ability to live a sinless life—none of the Jewish heroes was presented as perfect, nor were the mythological heroes presented as vice less;

(3) control over all the forces of nature—"Who then is this that even the wind and the sea obey him" (Mark 4:41);

(4) the capability to speak the greatest words ever uttered by human lips;

(5) a lasting and universal influence on humanity;

(6) the power to satisfy the spiritual hunger of mankind (see Matthew 5:6, John 7:37, 4:14, 6:35, 10:10); and

(7) the ability to defeat both death and sin.

The simple fact is, Jehovah left no stone unturned in preparing the world for the coming of the One Who would save mankind. Through a variety of avenues, He alerted the inhabitants of planet Earth regarding the singular nature of the One Who was yet to come, as well as the importance of believing in and obeying Him. Humanity's sins can be forgiven only by a sinless Savior. A mythological sacrifice can forgive only mythological sins, but Jesus truly is the Lamb of God "that taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29).

[JCourage]

Nice try. The verse I posted has it that Jesus, who is identified as an apostle of God, proclaims the arrival of another apostle of God whose name would be Ahmed. There is no mention of a Spirit in that verse.

Moreover, you didn't address the questions I asked you previously. There are several places in the Quran wherein the Messenger is directly addressed in the context of wars, marriage and other social issues. For instance, 33:28 says, "O Prophet ! say to thy wives, `If you desire the life of this world and its adornment, come then, I will provide for you and send you away in a handsome manner;"

If the above is a reference to Jesus, then which Gnostic book has it that Jesus had several wives.

Does this verse apply to Jesus, or is Muhammad applying this to himself? Wait, Muhammad went over his self-impossed quota of wives, correct? How many should a Muslim ahve and how many did Muhammad have? How many husbands did he murder to obtain his wives?

[JCourage]

Trinitarianism that you adhere to dan is one of many cults of Christianity...

Cult? But Muhammd thought that the Trinity was: Mary, Jesus and God the Father.

Bwhahahahaha

You want a "cult", try the Shi'ites and the Madhi warriors.

[JCourage]

JCourage, please list the reasons as to why you believe Muhammad(saw) does not fit the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:18

I have a better question for you!

Why does Islam try to formulate another Jesus?

The belief in Muhammad largely reduce to a point of faith—is one willing to accept him as a Messenger, or manifestation of God, in the absence of objective evidence?

Of course, Christianity also calls for faith, but the Christian has strong and demonstrable evidence along with that faith.

[Ibn Abu Talib]

Why does Islam try to formulate another Jesus?

Same reason why the Jesus Seminar wants to "formulate" another Jesus-because the Jesus of the Gospel is largely unhistorical.

The belief in Muhammad largely reduce to a point of faith—is one willing to accept him as a Messenger, or manifestation of God, in the absence of objective evidence?

No, the belief in Muhammad(saw) depends on whether or not the Quran is God's Word. There are very good reasons to believe it is.

Of course, Christianity also calls for faith, but the Christian has strong and demonstrable evidence along with that faith.

By strong evidence, you mean those people who speak in tongues?

[Ibn Abu Talib]

Does this verse apply to Jesus, or is Muhammad applying this to himself?

Muhammad(saw).

Wait, Muhammad went over his self-impossed quota of wives, correct? How many should a Muslim ahve and how many did Muhammad have?

Muhammad(saw) was allowed more wives than the average believer.

How many husbands did he murder to obtain his wives?

None. He wasn't like David who had Bathsheba's husband killed so that he could have her for himself.

[barnasha]

Why does Islam try to formulate another Jesus?

which other Jesus?

were there 2 "Joshua/Jesus of Nazareth"s?

[JCourage]

Muhammad(saw).



Muhammad(saw) was allowed more wives than the average believer.

Really, who said so?

None. He wasn't like David who had Bathsheba's husband killed so that he could have her for himself.

Wait, how was it, he married a Jewish woman? What happened to her husband? (We all know that David was a sinner - Psalm 51)

[Ibn Abu Talib]

Really, who said so?

The Creator of the Heavens and the Earth.

Wait, how was it, he married a Jewish woman? What happened to her husband?

You tell me.

[barnasha]

JCourage, if you think there are problems with Islam, and you are a sincere person, you should offer constructive advice and thoughts rather than just bashing other people.

I ask everyone here to consider, during these political polemical debates,

what are you doing to CONTRIBUTE to people's lives, and the quality of the human race?

[mudcake]

Originally posted by mudcake

Trinitarianism that you adhere to dan is one of many cults of Christianity...

Cult? But Muhammd thought that the Trinity was: Mary, Jesus and God the Father.

Really? I think you're a liar! Please directly show where in the Quran Muhammad (p) specifically thought the 'Trinity' was 'Mary, Jesus and God the Father'?

I must of missed the Quranic verse where Muhammad specifically stipulated or used the word 'trinity' and claimed that the 'trinity' is comprised of Mary, Jesus and the Father.

I bet your miscontruing the Quranic texts by applying erroneous Eisegesis (from the Greek root εις, meaning into, in, among, is the process of misinterpreting a text in such a way that it introduces one's own ideas, reading into the text as some Islamic expositors have done in the past.


muddy...

[smaneck]

God awarded Canaan to Abraham a long, long time ago. Geez, some people just can't get over divine providence.

And Abraham is father to both Arabs and Jews. The Askenazis who founded Zionism, however, likely to do not posses an once of Abrahamic blood.

[smaneck]

The belief in Muhammad largely reduce to a point of faith—is one willing to accept him as a Messenger, or manifestation of God, in the absence of objective evidence?

Sorry, the above makes no sense.

Of course, Christianity also calls for faith, but the Christian has strong and demonstrable evidence along with that faith.

What evidence do Christians have that Muslims lack?