Muhammad was predicted to come in the bible

[sief]

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Not to mention that Hindu scriptures also mention him (Sal Allahu allaihi wa sallam) by name.

[mudcake]

Assalams Sief,

The topic of 'Muhammad in the bible' has already been discussed in detail here on other threads recently.Please view topics in Islam section. There is no need to duplicate and repeat debate here again.

I suggest you post your comments on the existing threads about Muhammad in the bible inshaAllah to avoid unecessary repetition.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...d.php?t=121463
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...d.php?t=115068


assalams,

muddy....

[Narnian]

Jesus in the Greek Bible used the Greek word "Periklytos"

In John's gospel the Greek word used is Parakletos which means comforter and advocate. It comes from the word 'calling' kletos and 'alongside' para. "Muhammad"/ Ahmed on the other hand, means "praised one". When the early muslims wrote the Koran, they translated the Greek into Arabic (possibly via Old Syriac) but while Greek has vowels, Arabic doesn't. So they understood it as PRKLTS. In Greek there is another word Periklutos which means "praised one". Without the vowels it is also PRKLTS. So it is obvious that the early Muslims misread parakletos as periklutos, which means "Ahmed".

From Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin...ount=1&embed=2
periklutos: heard of all round, famous, renowned, glorious Entry in LSJ or Middle Liddell
periklutos masc nom sg
For more on this see here;
http://www.truthnet.org/islam/src-chp5.htm http://www.sofiatopia.org/equiaeon/islam.htm
So ..............
Parakletos = Comforter-advocate
Periklutos = Praised
Ahmed = praised

Next muslim claim: "Someone changed it from Periklutos to Parakletos"
John's gospel was written around 70 years after the death of Jesus. The oldest manuscipts in existence do not show any evidedence of tampering with the vowels of this word. Furthermore, II Isaiah has many references to the comforting of Israel, so the "comforter" ideology was already prevelent in Isaiah-influenced Jewish thought. The oldest Isaiah manuscript carbon-dates to 200BC. Paul elaborates on Isaiah's comforting in his writings, and these were all written before John's gospel.

Next claim: "Jesus says the Parakletos is to come AFTER Jesus leaves, and the Holy Spirit was already in the OT"
Before the death of Jesus, the Holy Spirit was only available to prophets. A month after Jesus dies, at Pentecost, the Holy Spirit descends and is made available for ALL humanity. Acts 1:4 and 2:1-4

Next claim: "But John refers to the parakletos as a “he” while the HS is an “it”"
That’s because Greek has a complex system of genderizing nouns as male, female or neuter, like German. The noun parakletos is male, while the noun holy spirit is neuter. In European languages it is perfectly understandable to refer to synonyms by their gender, ie in French you have the ‘sea’ which is female, and ‘ocean’ which is male. You would not say; “The ocean is vast and she is blue” even though you are referring to the sea as well. You would say; “The ocean is vast and he is blue” OR “The sea is vast and she is blue”. Likewise, you would refer to the synonym of the HS - 'the comforter' - as male, yet still mean the HS.

Some further textual evidences;
1. It/he Parakletos will dwell with the people and in the people forever. (John 14:17)
There is Zero evidence of a teaching of Muhammad dwelling inside you. Muhammad was a human, a slave of allah, and now he is dead. He specifically asked that you call him 'slave". There are NO teachings of any kind of "dwelling" inside peeople, unlike christianity.
2. Jesus must go away, for if he does not go away the Paraclete will not come. (John 16:7)
Explained above.
3. It/he will convince the world concerning sin and righteousness. (John 16:8)
Millions of people have done this!
4. It/he will guide the people to all truth(John 16:13)
When Jesus goes there will not be a flesh and blood teacher with them. The spirit - part of your faculties that are from God - will be your guide in your heart.
5. It/he will glorify Jesus. (John 16:14)
Billions of people have done this.

There is no evidence that Jesus prophesised a later prophet, as the Koran states, AND the theology of the Parakletos is already in the NT text, as well as Isaiah, BEFORE John wrote his gospel.
Here in Isaiah (which influenced a large part of the NT) the "comforter" is prominent in its prophecies. Isaiah's oldest extant manuscript dates to 200BC;
Isaiah 40:1 -Comfort, O comfort my people, says your God.
Isa 51:3 -For the Lord will comfort Zion; he will comfort all her waste places, and will make her wilderness like Eden, her desert like the garden of the Lord; joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and the voice of song.
Isa 51:12I, even I, am your comforter: are you so poor in heart
Isa 57:18 -I have seen their ways, but I will heal them; I will lead them and repay them with comfort, creating for their mourners the fruit of the lips.
Isa 66:13 -As a mother comforts her child, so I will comfort you; you shall be comforted in Jerusalem.

The Greek word Paraklesis - a different rendering of Parakletos - occurs 28 times in the NT. It is translated as "comfort" or "consolation" and other synonyms. Paul is no doubt building on the Isaiah theology of the promised "comforting" of Israel;

2Co 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
2Co 1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
2Co 1:5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
2Co 1:6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.
2Co 1:7 And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing, that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be also of the consolation.
2Co 7:4 Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.
2Co 7:7 And not by his coming only, but by the consolation wherewith he was comforted in you, when he told us your earnest desire, your mourning, your fervent mind toward me; so that I rejoiced the more.
2Co 7:13 Therefore we were comforted in your comfort: yea, and exceedingly the more joyed we for the joy of Titus, because his spirit was refreshed by you all.
So, you see that there is lots of Parakletos theology, but not even a single suggestion that there will be a later prophet to come, let alone any "Ahmed"!
Conclusion.
The Parakletos is NOT Muhammad.
Muhammad is not prophesised in the Bible
It shows even further than the Koran was written by non literary humans NOT God

Muslims should have called Muhammad "Mr Comforter"!

[penguinfan]

If I were to use the same methods and criteria Muslims use to find Muhammad in the Bible, I could probably find mickey mouse in there too. (There's also the skeptical approach, that, since the Bible is a large book with many ambiguous passages, it should really come as no surprise that you could find someone or something you were looking for, foretold within its pages)

[Dispen4ever]

I praise God for your insights, Narnian. Brilliant!

[smaneck]

If I were to use the same methods and criteria Muslims use to find Muhammad in the Bible, I could probably find mickey mouse in there too. [

Or Jesus in the Tanakh.

[Narnian]

Or Jesus in the Tanakh.

Oh no!! I'm so shocked! I mean, what else had Jesus got going for him without a prophecy to hold him up?!

[Dan Zebiri]

Narnian,

These muslim & islamophiles here will use ANYTHING to try & 'prove' that Muhd was predicted in the OT and / ot the OT!

Thats because the quran claims, in sura 61/6 that Jesus 'foretold Muhd's coming' - which is nothing more than another desperate polemical tactic - to justify Muhamad's 'prophethood'!

Of course, Jesus Christ NEVER EVER made such prophecies -about so-called 'Muhamad's coming' - in any way, shape or form...!

Christ ACTUALLY CLAIMED, that all the OT prophetic statements were reallyy about Himself- Jesus Christ!

So, obviously, that exculdes Muhamad in its entirety.

Dan.

[smaneck]

Christ ACTUALLY CLAIMED, that all the OT prophetic statements were reallyy about Himself- Jesus Christ!

Where did Jesus (not Peter, not Stephen) ever claim that He fulfilled Deut. 18?

[penguinfan]

Or Jesus in the Tanakh.

Christians don't have the luxury of claiming certain passages of the Old Testament have been corrupted.

[Dan Zebiri]

John 5:38-40 (New International Version)
38nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. 39You diligently study[a] the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, 40yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

[Dan Zebiri]

John 5:38-40 :-

38 Nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent.

39 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life.

These are the Scriptures that testify about me,

40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

Luke 24:44 - 49 :

44 He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: EVERYTHING must be fulfilled that is written about ME - Jesus Christ - in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."

45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.

46 He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,

47 and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 You are witnesses of these things.

49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high."

Christ Jesus alone was predicted in all the earlier Scriptures - NEVER Muhamad as Muslims love to blindly claim!

Dan

[barnasha]

Christians don't have the luxury of claiming certain passages of the Old Testament have been corrupted.

they have - by anyone who perverted the bible's message for their own means!

[penguinfan]

they have - by anyone who perverted the bible's message for their own means!

Where have Christians claimed certain passages of the OT have been corrupted?