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December 12th 2008, 01:26 PM #1
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Male - Roman CatholicWestern Rite Orthodox Pictures and Hymns
Listen to these beautiful hymns from a Western Rite Orthodox parish and while you're doing that look at these pictures from a ROCOR Western Rite church in Oklahoma.
I think it's a shame that most Western Protestant converts to Orthodoxy jettison not only their flawed theology, but actively seek to leave behind all things Western. If I had a dime for every diatribe I've heard railed against "the west" by an Orthodox convert, I'd be a very rich man.
http://allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy...X%20Gloria.mp3
http://allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy...20Officium.mp3
http://allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy...20Alleluya.mp3
http://allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy...TX%20Kyrie.mp3
http://allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy...s%20Regiae.mp3
http://allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy...ctus%20III.mp3
http://allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy...anctus%20X.mp3
http://allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy...0Diligamus.mp3
http://allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy...0o%20Theos.mp3
http://allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy...nd%20Ruler.mp3
http://allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy...0Te%20Deum.mp3
http://allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy...ity%20Hymn.mp3
http://allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy...sta%20Dies.mp3* I apologize for any scandal I cause to those who doing a forum search read my old posts written before and during my journey to the Catholic Faith. If you read anything heretical, impious, or just plain wrong, please forgive my ignorance. I submit everything to the Magisterium of the Holy Catholic Church. Praised be Jesus Christ forever and ever! Amen. Also, sorry for the times I was a jerk. Lot's of those!
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December 12th 2008, 02:14 PM #2
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Male - ChristianRe: Western Rite Orthodox Pictures and Hymns
Ooh, thanks for the links, furay.
The saint commemorated at my very first Orthodox liturgy was St. Edward the Confessor, so it would be odd for me to reject "all things West."
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December 12th 2008, 02:17 PM #3
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Male - Roman CatholicRe: Western Rite Orthodox Pictures and Hymns
You're welcome.
Originally posted by One Bad Pig
You are one of the few.The saint commemorated at my very first Orthodox liturgy was St. Edward the Confessor, so it would be odd for me to reject "all things West."* I apologize for any scandal I cause to those who doing a forum search read my old posts written before and during my journey to the Catholic Faith. If you read anything heretical, impious, or just plain wrong, please forgive my ignorance. I submit everything to the Magisterium of the Holy Catholic Church. Praised be Jesus Christ forever and ever! Amen. Also, sorry for the times I was a jerk. Lot's of those!
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December 14th 2008, 04:45 AM #4
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Male - ChristianRe: Western Rite Orthodox Pictures and Hymns
In my understanding, it's not so much the West itself that converts reject, so much as the flawed theology you mentioned that has gotten itself so bound up in Western history, that became basic to Western society.
For example...in my attempt to understand contemporary American culture in the light of Orthodoxy, I begin to find significant portions of my "home culture" to be utterly objectionable.
Does this mean that I have rejected "all things Western?" Far from it. When I say "West," I don't usually mean the geographic west...I mean the religious understandings that have long been associated with it, and the elements of my culture that have sprung either directly or indirectly from those understandings.
This is different from what the Western Rite Orthodox are trying to do...in a sense, they are trying to get the West to remember its "Eastness," or rather, its Orthodoxy. That's why they push so far back.
So I applaud the WR's. They have my full endorsement. (I just can't find any nearby!!
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December 14th 2008, 05:59 AM #5
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Female - ChristianRe: Western Rite Orthodox Pictures and Hymns
Yep, I don't object to "The West", I object to the theology. The problem is, that the theology and the majority of the West go together.
Western Tradition of the pre-schism kind I have absolutely no problem with (I think it's pretty neat, actually) and I grew up Methodist but with a lot of time spent in Anglican and Lutheran churches, so I can appreciate the beauty. But the Western Rite isn't common and I'm still not completely sold on some of the things that go with it, so I'm more or less "Eastern" in practice and liturgy.
Speaking of things Western, there's an advent wreath lit on my table...with six candles, five of them lit. We're getting close!
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December 14th 2008, 06:09 AM #6
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Male - ChristianRe: Western Rite Orthodox Pictures and Hymns
We also need to remember that it's more of a "coincidence" that the East has better modern theology than the West. Imagine what it would have been like if the Patriarch of Constantinople had been on the wrong side of the schism....we'd be talking about French and Roman Orthodoxy or something lol.
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December 14th 2008, 05:07 PM #7
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Male - ChristianRe: Western Rite Orthodox Pictures and Hymns
I suppose, if Constantine hadn't gone east with his capital, or if the raiding Germanic tribes had gone east instead of west for some reason...the Patriarch of Constantinople might have had some incentive to do so, if the Roman empire had pulled out of the east the way it did with the west. Originally posted by Kelp(p)
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"I would join countless numbers of evangelical Protestants and say I have come to know Christ with fulfilling and life-changing effects and daily witness His grace and leadership in my life. But just because God in His grace and mercy has met us where we are and adapted Himself to our unique cultural and religious circumstances in no way means He has abandoned His original plan. God does not contradict Himself. Truth is intolerant, and truth is found in the Church’s living and Holy Tradition. It is my growing conviction that only a strong living Tradition can protect us from the corrosive and destructive forces of modern life, the insidious and deceptive effects of modern pluralism, and the disheartening and confusing proliferation of religious opinions...What are we to do with this "cloud of witnesses," this Holy Tradition through which they live and speak with such clarity and certitude? Well, for me there seems to be only one logical response. I must turn to the Church and its sacred Tradition; I must listen humbly and be instructed. I cannot let God’s marvelous blessings of the past blind me to what I have missed or deter me from that to which He would lead me still. I must return home to Orthodoxy." Rev. Dorraine S. Snogren, The Road That Leads Home
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December 14th 2008, 07:42 PM #8
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Male - ChristianRe: Western Rite Orthodox Pictures and Hymns
Yep. There's all kinds of factors. And quit winking at me
...the compass of existence held more than my text-books had revealed, more than I had ever dreamed of. In short I lost my superiority, and this, though I was not then aware of it, is the first step towards finding God.-A.J. Cronin
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December 14th 2008, 07:50 PM #9
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The River of Fire The Way Into the Kingdom of Heaven Distinguishing Truth & Error Apologetics for Orthodoxy Ochlophobic Musings
"I would join countless numbers of evangelical Protestants and say I have come to know Christ with fulfilling and life-changing effects and daily witness His grace and leadership in my life. But just because God in His grace and mercy has met us where we are and adapted Himself to our unique cultural and religious circumstances in no way means He has abandoned His original plan. God does not contradict Himself. Truth is intolerant, and truth is found in the Church’s living and Holy Tradition. It is my growing conviction that only a strong living Tradition can protect us from the corrosive and destructive forces of modern life, the insidious and deceptive effects of modern pluralism, and the disheartening and confusing proliferation of religious opinions...What are we to do with this "cloud of witnesses," this Holy Tradition through which they live and speak with such clarity and certitude? Well, for me there seems to be only one logical response. I must turn to the Church and its sacred Tradition; I must listen humbly and be instructed. I cannot let God’s marvelous blessings of the past blind me to what I have missed or deter me from that to which He would lead me still. I must return home to Orthodoxy." Rev. Dorraine S. Snogren, The Road That Leads Home
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December 15th 2008, 06:58 PM #10
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JLB has a cruuuuuuuush! JLB has a cruuuuuuuush! Originally posted by Kelp(p)
Yep. There's all kinds of factors. And quit winking at me"Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.
And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace
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December 15th 2008, 08:32 PM #11
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Can't say I blame the poor guy.
...the compass of existence held more than my text-books had revealed, more than I had ever dreamed of. In short I lost my superiority, and this, though I was not then aware of it, is the first step towards finding God.-A.J. Cronin
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December 16th 2008, 01:38 AM #12
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I like how they kept the iconostas look and just put the altar in front of it. It looks nice. St. John of San Francisco loved and very much encouraged the use of the Western rites. However, many movements to make Western rites were ended. I don't think it symbolizes what the West needs, however; it's cool to have a connection which what the former Orthodox may have done in Western Europe.
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December 16th 2008, 11:52 AM #13
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Like listening to liturgy in a language you understand? Originally posted by furay
"Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.
And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace
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Male - ChristianRe: Western Rite Orthodox Pictures and Hymns
A ROCOR parish? Are you sure is not an OCA or Antiochian Orthodox Church parish? I wouldn't think that ROCOR would have anything to do with an initiative coming out of the 'official' Muscovite Patriarchate, seeing as they have this 'little disagreement' with the Patriarchs under the Communists, over their behavior and whatnot. And, isn't ROCOR in the Old Believer's camp? Originally posted by furay
At least that's what my brain dredges up about the relationship of ROCOR to Moscow. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
As it is a Western Rite parish do you know if it uses the Anglican-inspired Liturgy of St. Tihkon, or the Roman-inspired Liturgy of St. Gregory?
I do agree though, they are wonderful images and chants. The Icons are exquisite. Thank you for posting them"The beauty of Jesus is inexhasutible. ... He is beautiful everywhere, in the disfigurement of the Passion as well as in the splendors of the Resurrection, amid the horrors of the scourging as well as amid the indescribable attractions of Bethlehem. But above all things our Blessed Lord is beautiful in His Mother." Fr. Faber
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December 22nd 2008, 09:27 AM #15
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You're quite behind the times, sir. ROCOR and Moscow have reconciled (most of) their differences and restored communion...and ROCOR was never an Old Believers' group...I think you may be confusing "Old Believers" with "Old Calendar" (which Moscow uses too, BTW). Originally posted by anglicanformary
What's more, the Western Rite initiative was older than Communism, or at least the 1917 Revolution. The River of Fire The Way Into the Kingdom of Heaven Distinguishing Truth & Error Apologetics for Orthodoxy Ochlophobic Musings
"I would join countless numbers of evangelical Protestants and say I have come to know Christ with fulfilling and life-changing effects and daily witness His grace and leadership in my life. But just because God in His grace and mercy has met us where we are and adapted Himself to our unique cultural and religious circumstances in no way means He has abandoned His original plan. God does not contradict Himself. Truth is intolerant, and truth is found in the Church’s living and Holy Tradition. It is my growing conviction that only a strong living Tradition can protect us from the corrosive and destructive forces of modern life, the insidious and deceptive effects of modern pluralism, and the disheartening and confusing proliferation of religious opinions...What are we to do with this "cloud of witnesses," this Holy Tradition through which they live and speak with such clarity and certitude? Well, for me there seems to be only one logical response. I must turn to the Church and its sacred Tradition; I must listen humbly and be instructed. I cannot let God’s marvelous blessings of the past blind me to what I have missed or deter me from that to which He would lead me still. I must return home to Orthodoxy." Rev. Dorraine S. Snogren, The Road That Leads Home
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