Scientific American "The Evolution of Evolution"

[Jorge]

Just returned home from surgery. The mailman had delivered the latest Scientific American
(January 2009). It's completely dedicated to their Religion : EVOLUTION. Without even
opening it I already know that it's going to be chock-full of b-a-l-o-n-e-y. Hey, right on the
front cover it shows one of the articles, "Creationist's Latest Tricks". This ought to be 'fun'.

EDITED TO ADD : why would they ... duh, but of course! This year is ol' Charlie's birthday AND the
anniversary of Origin of Species. SciAM is simply getting a head start paying homage to their demigod.

Stay tuned ... I'll be reporting as I read this 'objective, unbiased, scholarly' SciAm issue ...

Jorge

[MooseOnTheLoose]

BTW how did the surgery go? Doesn't look like it's slowed you at all!

[Jorge]

BTW how did the surgery go? Doesn't look like it's slowed you at all!

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Surgery went fine, thanks for asking. I won't be playing basketball anytime soon
(possibly never). [This was the third surgery on my right knee and the second
on my left knee --- not good!]

As for the "slowing me down", I'd come out of my grave to refute the sheer nonsense
of these people.

Jorge

[oxmixmudd]

Just returned home from surgery. The mailman had delivered the latest Scientific American
(January 2009). It's completely dedicated to their Religion : EVOLUTION. Without even
opening it I already know that it's going to be chock-full of b-a-l-o-n-e-y. Hey, right on the
front cover it shows one of the articles, "Creationist's Latest Tricks". This ought to be 'fun'.

EDITED TO ADD : why would they ... duh, but of course! This year is ol' Charlie's birthday AND the
anniversary of Origin of Species. SciAM is simply getting a head start paying homage to their demigod.

Stay tuned ... I'll be reporting as I read this 'objective, unbiased, scholarly' SciAm issue ...

Jorge

I'll be looking for your 'reports' right next to all the incredible answers to the questions you asked us for ...

Come to think of it, he started that farce back in august and we have yet to see any substantive feedback on the scientific questions ... how long does cut-n-paste into a thread take Jorge. Or do you type with your knee's ...

(glad to know the surgery went OK)


Jim

[Tiggy]

Jorge, why did you alter and try to foist off as genuine that quote-mined quote on prebiotic selection in the Expelled thread? That was an exceptionally dishonest thing to do, even by your low standards. I notice you haven't been back to that thread since being caught in your lie either.

Jorge caught quote mining

Do you really think you're serving Christianity by such blatant dishonesty?

- T

[rogue06]

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Surgery went fine, thanks for asking. I won't be playing basketball anytime soon
(possibly never). [This was the third surgery on my right knee and the second
on my left knee --- not good!]

As for the "slowing me down", I'd come out of my grave to refute the sheer nonsense
of these people.

Jorge

Glad to hear all went well and the surgery wasn't for anything serious (not saying that walking around isn't important). I can hardly wait to read your "review" of Scientific American

[ck11]

Just returned home from surgery. The mailman had delivered the latest Scientific American
(January 2009). It's completely dedicated to their Religion : EVOLUTION. Without even
opening it I already know that it's going to be chock-full of b-a-l-o-n-e-y. Hey, right on the
front cover it shows one of the articles, "Creationist's Latest Tricks". This ought to be 'fun'.

EDITED TO ADD : why would they ... duh, but of course! This year is ol' Charlie's birthday AND the
anniversary of Origin of Species. SciAM is simply getting a head start paying homage to their demigod.

Stay tuned ... I'll be reporting as I read this 'objective, unbiased, scholarly' SciAm issue ...

Jorge

Why do you subscribe to SciAm? All of their biology articles recognize the legitimacy of evolution, and their articles on astronomy, cosmology, geology recognize the great age of the universe/earth.

I am glad to know you read mainstream science, but wonder how much of it you filter out.

ETA - glad to hear your surgery went well and that you are back home.

[shadowmaster]

I'll be looking for your 'reports' right next to all the incredible answers to the questions you asked us for ...

Come to think of it, he started that farce back in august and we have yet to see any substantive feedback on the scientific questions ... how long does cut-n-paste into a thread take Jorge. Or do you type with your knee's ...

(glad to know the surgery went OK)


Jim

Maybe Jorge could borrow the shadowmaster's typists.

[Roy]

As for the "slowing me down", I'd come out of my grave to refute the sheer nonsense
of these people.

Probably have to, since the chances anything being refuted before then are evanescent...

Roy

[USIncognito]

Stay tuned ... I'll be reporting as I read this 'objective, unbiased, scholarly' SciAm issue ...

And we'll be waiting patiently for your "objective, unbiased, scholarly" review of the issue.

[Faid]

Actually, I could care less about your "review" of the SciAm article. You'll just copy parts of the story, and insert your multi-colored comments in between, consisting of nothing but mockery and insults and lotsa smilies. Nothing we haven't seen before.

How about getting on with your responses to all those questions? Especially the ones that you have ready (since you had sent them to True Origin)?

You're running out of excuses, you know.

[JonLanceBarker]

:yawn:

[Jorge]

Why do you subscribe to SciAm? All of their biology articles recognize the legitimacy of evolution, and their articles on astronomy, cosmology, geology recognize the great age of the universe/earth.

I've answered that question (or similar) here dozens of times. I do it to stay informed - period!
Although, the truth is that I keep hearing the same stuff repeated over and over ... ad nauseum.
Worse yet, it's not true stuff -- lies, misrepresentations, distortions, fabrications, etc.
I'm about to show many examples in this thread ... stay tuned.

I am glad to know you read mainstream science, but wonder how much of it you filter out.

You wish to believe that I "filter out" because it justifies your opinion of me personally
and of YECs in general. I can tell you that you're wrong but you'll believe whatever
you wish to believe. Round and round she goes ...

ETA - glad to hear your surgery went well and that you are back home.

Thanks. It's not fun being in a 'crippled' state but I should be okay soon.

Jorge

[Jorge]

Just returned home from surgery. The mailman had delivered the latest Scientific American
(January 2009). It's completely dedicated to their Religion : EVOLUTION. Without even
opening it I already know that it's going to be chock-full of b-a-l-o-n-e-y. Hey, right on the
front cover it shows one of the articles, "Creationist's Latest Tricks". This ought to be 'fun'.

EDITED TO ADD : why would they ... duh, but of course! This year is ol' Charlie's birthday AND the
anniversary of Origin of Species. SciAM is simply getting a head start paying homage to their demigod.

Stay tuned ... I'll be reporting as I read this 'objective, unbiased, scholarly' SciAm issue ...

Jorge

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Okay, here's what I've done so far : I quickly glanced over the entire issue. Afterwards, a
long, hot shower became necessary. Those of you that have been here long enough know
that one of the points that I've been making is how everything is now being interpreted under
the evolutionary paradigm. This SciAm issue drives that point home fairly conclusively.

The first article that I read (of course!) was The Latest Face of Creationism, written by Glenn
Branch and Eugenie Scott (who else?!). Until then I wouldn't have guessed that so many
lies, misrepresentations, distortions, fabrications, omissions, etc. would fit into that short
an article. I learned that it is, indeed, possible. I'll get to that article in a later post.

In this post I'll address the SciAm Perspectives written by the Editors, appearing on page 32.
The title is A Theory for Everyman. The first thing these Editors want to do is heap further
praise and worship upon their demigod (Darwin). They believe that Darwin hasn't gotten
all of the glory and fame that he deserves. Here's a funny part :

"Darwin's failure to achieve icon status is the legacy of creationists and neocreationists and
of the distortion of his [Darwin's] ideas by the eugenics movement a century ago."

So it's OUR fault (the creationists) that Darwin isn't more famous ... an icon comparable to
Einstein. Surely these Editors have been sniffing something that's not quite legal.

They go on to say how Darwin's legacy (i.e., the Theory of Evolution) "has a direct bearing on
how society makes public policy and even, at times, on how we choose to run our lives."

They then present examples, overfishing of mature adult fish and the price of fish, the
connection between antibiotic use and drug resistance, etc. These Editors wish to attribute
all of this to the ToE.

Listen closely : that is BULLCRAP! We do not need the ToE AT ALL to make the connection
between overfishing and the price of fish or overuse of antibiotics leading to resistance.
ALL of those things are easily explainable with basic science and common sense.
Heck, it's a high school level exercise!

The Editors repeat the infamous Dobzhansky mantra, "Nothing in biology makes sense,
except in the light of evolution." They wish to extend this by striking out 'in biology'. This is
just one of the many ways that cults promote their faith -- by trying to make it universal.

Here's the clincher supporting Jorge's claim (that the evolutionary paradigm is actively being
applied to EVERY discipline, not just biology). Read carefully :

"Biologist David Sloan Wilson initiated a program in evolutionary studies called EvoS at
Binghamton University that extends beyond just the life sciences to encompass the
humanities and social sciences : the program is now being adopted at other schools.
Students learn the basics, that evolution is both theory and fact and, crucially, that it
serves as a way of looking at the world that provides deep predictive and explanatory power.
They then proceed to use this analytical framework to explore subjects as diverse as
cancer, pregnancy, mate choice, literature and religion."

Did you get all that? I highlighted the last sentence to make it perfectly clear.
These brainless critters are pushing for 'evolution' to serve as the foundational
analytical framework (a.k.a. a metaphysical worldview) for exploring, and
making decisions in ALL areas of life. That is an ideological agenda!
This is NOT science and denying this would be, bluntly, dishonest.

Over the years I've collected dozens of titles where evolution was the central,
foundational paradigm / interpretative framework. This Wilson character is
at least 20 years behind the times. Well, actually he isn't. It's just that now
they're being much bolder about this. Pretty soon it'll be a mandatory course
'Evolutionary Interpretation Theory' -- take it or you do not graduate, period!

"A Theory for Everyman" is right. Soon every man (and woman) will know it or else!

Jorge

[Jorge]

You're running out of excuses, you know.

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Ohhhh, is that what they were ... "excuses"? My business trip was an "excuse"; my surgery was
an "excuse"; the fact that I'm waiting on someone else who has a life with other priorities -- that
too is an "excuse". Yes, I see. Listen, Faid, just in case I haven't been clear enough in the past
let me remedy that error : you are an idiot and a dishonest one at that.

Jorge