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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
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    King Hezekiah deliberately defiled the eighth century B.C. shrine at the door to the ancient city of Lachish, as part of a campaign to centralize Jewish ritual in Jerusalem, the Israel Antiquities Authority said.
    You realize my references in the past to the Hebrew tribes not have a distinctive culture and language was prior to the period ~900 - 600 BCE. In this period the Hebrews did develop a distinctive language culture, and rulers called kings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    You realize my references in the past to the Hebrew tribes not have a distinctive culture and language was prior to the period ~900 - 600 BCE. In this period the Hebrews did develop a distinctive language culture, and rulers called kings.
    That is a lie Frank. Your claim was that they didn't have a distinct culture until ~600BC

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    This discovery and information does not conclude that the Hebrew's were a distinct culture at any point in time. In fact, my previous description describes the Hebrew culture and language beginning to become distinct ~800 - 600 BCE. Prior to this time period the Hebrews lacked a distinctive language and by the evidence were a pastorial Canaanite tribes or tribe in the Hills of Judea.
    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    You realize my references in the past to the Hebrew tribes not have a distinctive culture and language was prior to the period ~900 - 600 BCE. In this period the Hebrews did develop a distinctive language culture, and rulers called kings.
    What was that Cerebrum said about moving goalposts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    What was that Cerebrum said about moving goalposts?
    I suspect either "Air ball!" or "Duck, Bob, and Weave" are around the corner as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    I suspect either "Air ball!" or "Duck, Bob, and Weave" are around the corner as well.
    My favorites are "splitting frog hairs", and "the sky is Carolina blue on a clear 4th of July at noon."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    That is a lie Frank. Your claim was that they didn't have a distinct culture until ~600BC
    Not true, this has been covered in many threads. It is true that there is no distinct Hebrew language before ~700 - 600 BCE. It has always been that there is no sudden date that Hebrews became a distinct culture and kingdom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    What was that Cerebrum said about moving goalposts?
    I consider these approximate dates like the historians propose, please notice what"~" means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Not true, this has been covered in many threads. It is true that there is no distinct Hebrew language before ~700 - 600 BCE. It has always been that there is no sudden date that Hebrews became a distinct culture and kingdom.
    You posted a thread about a distinct people, under the rule of a distinct King, who defiled another distinct people's cultic worship center well before ~600 BC. QED


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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    I consider these approximate dates like the historians propose, please notice what"~" means.
    Why exactly did you change your approximation from ~800 to ~900? Did you read another historian between yesterday afternoon and this morning that convinced you about this even broader window of time?

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    More importantly, why did he change his estimate from from ~600 BCE to ~900--600 BCE?
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