January 2009 Screwballs

[Alien]

Sigh....

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/inerrancy.html

That's better!

Interesting article, thanks.

[Kabane52]

Nomination to a youtube comment:

However, the fact that one historian, who was born after Jesus supposedly died heard about the character as though he were real, doesn't make the character real. The point here, is where's the evidence that he was real?

And when I refer to evidence I mean the credible kind. So Pliny, Tacitus, Lucian, the Talmud, Josephus, etc. aren't gonna cut it. The NT isn't going to cut it either since the earliest documentation of Jesus in there is Paul's vision, which Mark could've worked off of, and of course the rest of the gospels could've worked off of Mark. And I just can't take Paul's vision as credible evidence for Jesus as a historical figure.

[Mountain Man]

Translation: "So, if we ignore all the evidence for Jesus' existence, can you show me evidence for Jesus' existence?"

[Kabane52]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h6Is...e=channel_page

Nomination to bigjerre for that. He claims essentially that Christians and non believers are not allowed to be friends.

[Alucard]

Hmm, fundy Baptists are always good for a facepalming.

http://www.onlinebaptist.com/message...21061&p=330912

There is no Bible in any language that is perfect, save the King James.

Well, that's purely a matter of opinion.

I just got on started here and I thought you were KJV only. But really you are just a bunch of Pharisees and apostates. Thats right I said it. You call yourselves independent fundamental Baptist. You dont even know what that means. The KJV is perfect. God said he would perserve his word and that his faithfullness endureth to all generations. So that means he would have a PERFECT Bible today. And that is the KJV. Try to prove it wrong. I would like you just to try to find one mistake. The thing is you cant! Im a Bible Believing Born Again Christian! I dont belong to no Pharisee sect. I dont belong to no click. I belong to Jesus Christ! AMEN! I am an independent fundamental Baptist but first I am a Born Again Bible Believing Christian! Before Baptist you are Son of God! You put Baptist above Christian. Why is that? You never see Paul intorduce him self and say "My name is Paul, im a Jew." Why do you put Baptist above Christian? The Lord gave me these words to say and I speak the truth from the Holy Spirit of God that lives inside of me!

What a strange fellow.

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

Screwball award for this
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...04&postcount=1

This is not a detailed counter-argument, and it does not go over the essay point for point. I have no specific credentials in this area other than the head on my shoulders and the shape of my mind. I don't even know if I'm posting this in the right place. But my complaint is this: the proposition on which the whole argument is founded is proposterous. J. P. Holding does not have priviliged access to the secret formula for starting a religion in first century Judea. The only true test of how well-equipped a religion is to have been able to take off at that time and that place is whether or not it actually did. No matter how unpalatable to a contemporary observer Christianity might appear to a modern scholar, the fact is that by this measure it succeeded spectacularly. It should be patently obvious to anyone that Christianity got it spot on. You compile a list of things it got 'wrong', then it can only serve to show that the presumptions you made to start off with were wrong. Because I'm telling ya, they lapped it up.

[Giorno Giovanna]

Sadly, a lot of Christians give justification for it. We need to change that. If the church doesn't recover intellectualism in America, it will die.

Very true and that's why I decided to start making lessons for my Sunday morning classes, dealing with issues like relativism and pop christianity.

Because trust me, I'm a Christian and while I am lazy, I am highly intellectual and I loathe the way skeptics say that I'm stupid because others are stupid.

[jpholding]

Email:

Thank you for your reply. I am just amazed at how one could read those accounts and still believe in Jesus. None are so blind as he who will not see.

I cannot believe that you have read Paine's treatise on Prophecy and still believe that Jesus was a fulfillment of prophecy and is the expected Messiah of the Jews. Wow!

I have several books that you probably have not read that I would love to see your rebuttal of those irrefutable facts and arguments against the devinity of Jesus. Care to accept my challenge?

First, let me know if you have actually read Paine on prophecy before I offer you anything else.

I invoted Dumbo over.

[jpholding]

Screwball award for this
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...04&postcount=1

Thanks for asking for the move, Punkish. CarpeDum is wrong of course. I do use Hellenistic values in the arguments -- on those points, they're either no different than the Roman and Jewish values, or else have other problems just as serious.

Morons.

[jpholding]

Now Seasanctuary bein' stoopid over there!

A subculture does not need to stick to mainstream ideals. In fact, embracing some tension makes a lot of sense. Holding claims no one would follow a crucified Messiah because that was shameful. Really? There's no way the idea of a person taking all the Empire could throw at him and still come out divine and shiny would appeal to discontents?

That's correct, dumbass! Heee hawwww....heee hawwwww....and sorry, Carrier already tried that "there must have been exceptions or we wouldn't be here" schtick.

Plus Holding relies on the too-common Christian lack of critical thinking when it comes to asserting everyone should take the Church's word on everything but the miracles. Then -- surprise -- the miracles fit those specific holes neatly.

What's he mean by that? Where do I asset this alleged thing?

[Mr Minder]

What's he mean by that? Where do I assert this alleged thing?

Fixed it for ya.

[jpholding]

Fixed it for ya.

Can you fix his argument too?

[Manwë Súlimo]

Can you fix his argument too?

JPH, I love you but you're going to have to make the switch to Firefox. It has a built in spell-checker that can correct misspelled words.

All the cool kids are doing it.

[Manwë Súlimo]

http://puhi.iki.fi/

This is enough to give me a migraine.

[jpholding]

JPH, I love you but you're going to have to make the switch to Firefox. It has a built in spell-checker that can correct misspelled words.

All the cool kids are doing it.

That was always the best argument for me NOT doing things when I was a kid.

I hate Firefox because of the way it uses tabs to open multiple windows. Sucks eggs.