interesting science article

[yeshua121]

any thoughts fellow christians?

http://news.aol.com/article/astronme...249x1201026206

[yeshua121]

how does this fit the bibical view of astronomy?

[rogue06]

Kewl, but what is "the bibical view of astronomy"?

[ChemMJW]

how does this fit the bibical view of astronomy?

I was also not aware there is a biblical view of astronomy.

[yeshua121]

well i rephrase how does this fit on how the bible describes stars

[Peptide]

well i rephrase how does this fit on how the bible describes stars

Since these stars are not firmly fixed in the firmament I would say it is a poor fit with the biblical description.

[lao tzu]

I suggest that if the OP is interested in exclusively christian reactions, this thread would be better placed in ... I don't know, maybe cosmology? ... or some other exclusively theist forum.

[FaithThruDoubt]

Since these stars are not firmly fixed in the firmament I would say it is a poor fit with the biblical description.

Yes, because the Bible really says that the stars are "fixed" in the firmament (which does not mean what you seem to think it does) and can't move. Never mind the verses that mention falling stars or Judges 5:20, which mentions the "stars in their courses"...or that Jude 13 compares certain people to "wandering stars".

[Manwë Súlimo]

how does this fit the bibical view of astronomy?

It says God is an amazing architect/artist/etc, no more no less.

I always liked to look at stars...

[ChemMJW]

well i rephrase how does this fit on how the bible describes stars

Perhaps you could provide us with your own thoughts so we will know what specific issues to address in a reply? Thanks.

[Peptide]

Yes, because the Bible really says that the stars are "fixed" in the firmament (which does not mean what you seem to think it does) and can't move. Never mind the verses that mention falling stars or Judges 5:20, which mentions the "stars in their courses"...or that Jude 13 compares certain people to "wandering stars".

"Biblical references to this cosmology (specifically, the notion of a solid Firmament with Heaven above it) include the creation of the Firmament in Genesis 1:6; God opening windows in the Firmament in Genesis 7:11 to let water rain down, and closing them again in Genesis 8:2; the construction of a tall tower to reach Heaven in Genesis 11:4; celestial warehouses for snow and hail in Job 38:22, the sky as a strong crystalline material in Job 37:18 and Ezekiel 1:22; the sky as a tent in Isaiah 40:22; stars as small objects attached to the Firmament (which can fall off) in Daniel 8:10, Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:25, Revelation 6:13, Revelation 8:10, Revelation 9:1 and Revelation 12:4 (it is sometimes claimed that these "falling stars" are meteors, but the swipe of a dragon's tail dislodges "one-third of all the stars in the sky" in Revelation 12:4)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmament

[Manwë Súlimo]

"Biblical references to this cosmology (specifically, the notion of a solid Firmament with Heaven above it) include the creation of the Firmament in Genesis 1:6; God opening windows in the Firmament in Genesis 7:11 to let water rain down, and closing them again in Genesis 8:2; the construction of a tall tower to reach Heaven in Genesis 11:4; celestial warehouses for snow and hail in Job 38:22, the sky as a strong crystalline material in Job 37:18 and Ezekiel 1:22; the sky as a tent in Isaiah 40:22; stars as small objects attached to the Firmament (which can fall off) in Daniel 8:10, Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:25, Revelation 6:13, Revelation 8:10, Revelation 9:1 and Revelation 12:4 (it is sometimes claimed that these "falling stars" are meteors, but the swipe of a dragon's tail dislodges "one-third of all the stars in the sky" in Revelation 12:4)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmament

Buy a dictionary. Look up metaphor.

[Peptide]

Buy a dictionary. Look up metaphor.

For the literalists this is hardly an option.

Also, how does this tie in with the OP? Why ask if current scientific findings are consistent with a metaphor?

[Manwë Súlimo]

For the literalists this is hardly an option.

Also, how does this tie in with the OP? Why ask if current scientific findings are consistent with a metaphor?

I think the OP is unintentionally confused. Its sorta like asking what the Bible says about triple-heart bypasses. We Christians believe God made the stars, but the scriptures were never meant to be a study guide in astronomy.

[Peptide]

I think the OP is unintentionally confused.

I don't think so at all, but I am participating in a bit of armchair psychoanalysis. Here are two quotes from the article linked in the OP:

"A total of 14 young stars racing through clouds of gas like bullets, creating brilliant arrowhead structures and tails of glowing gas, have been revealed by NASA's Hubble Space Telescope. They represent a new type of runaway stars, scientists say."

""Finding these stars is a complete surprise because we were not looking for them. When I first saw the images, I said 'Wow. This is like a bullet speeding through the interstellar medium.'"

These are two hallmarks of YEC arguments. The word "young" attached to a discovery that no one expected to see.

Perhaps I am wrong, but my YEC detector is in the red.

We Christians believe God made the stars, but the scriptures were never meant to be a study guide in astrology.

I totally agree. Galileo said it best: "The Bible teaches us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go."