Christianity today: The teachings of demons

[caspian]

Don't believe it?

Paul said it would happen, and well... it has!

But don't take my word for it:

• Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ is the Saviour

No! It teaches that He only made salvation possible. You save yourself by believing!

• Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ died

No it doesn't! It teaches that His body "died" but He didn't actually die, He went to minister to spirits in prison.

Wrong! He was dead as death itself! Had His Father not raised Him He would still be dead. He died!

• Man has a free will

Wrong! It is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of God. (Rom.9:16)

• No one is saved after this life

Wrong! After this life, in time, all are saved! (1Cor.15:22-28)

• Death is eternal

Wrong! Death is abolished, removed from office, at the consummation of the ages! (1Cor.15:26). When there is no more death, what else can there be but life?!

• God only saves those who believe now

That's wrong! God saves all, especially those who believe now! (1Tim.4:10)

• Adam lost more than Christ will gain

No! Christ is more successful than Adam! (Rom.5:18-19) Death will be abolished and all will be made alive beyond the reach of death.

• God will be All in some

Wrong!! God will be All in all! (1Cor.15:28)

• God cannot save the irreverent unless they quit being irreverent long enough to believe

Not true! God justifies the irreverent while they are irreverent! (Rom.4:5)

• Men are saved by their own faith

It's a foundation of Christian teaching - it's wrong! Men are saved by Jesus Christ's faith! (Rom.3:22; Phi.3:9)

• God allowed that bad thing to happen to you

False!!! God created evil!!! (Isa.45:7)

• Men choose to be stubborn

False!!! God locks up all together in stubbornness!!! (Rom.11:32)

• Sin is stronger than grace (it must be if some will be damned for eternity)

That is false! Grace is stronger than sin! (Rom.5:20)

Christianity's foundational teachings are the opposite of truth! How could this be happening?

Well, Paul said it would... get out now!!!

[caspian]

OOH! I forgot this one:

Christianity teaches that men must choose to believe God

False! God chooses man (Jn.15:16; 1Cor.1:27; Eph.1:4) and grants them faith (Phi.1:29). If you don't believe, it is because God has not yet granted you faith. In time, all will believe.

QUIT WAITING FOR THE APOSTASY - IT IS HERE - IT IS CHRISTENDOM!!!

[Thersites]

I sincerely hope this is satire.

[Hamster]

False! God chooses man (Jn.15:16; 1Cor.1:27; Eph.1:4) and grants them faith (Phi.1:29). If you don't believe, it is because God has not yet granted you faith. In time, all will believe.

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No! It teaches that He only made salvation possible. You save yourself by believing!

[barnasha]

if belief makes you a better person, you have a chance. if it is a mere hat tip to a particular group who you want to be accepted by, it doesn't save you from anything except an ostracizing by those people.

[caspian]

Hamster

"You save yourself by believing!" is quoting Christendom, ie. it is false.

See point 6 in the OP. God saves all especially those who believe now.

[caspian]

I sincerely hope this is satire.

I'm afraid not.

Eph.4:14 ... that we may by no means still be minors, surging hither and thither and being carried about by every wind of teaching, by human caprice, by craftiness with a view toward the systematizing of the deception.

In all sincerity, Christendom today is systematized deception.

Christianity is on the lookout for the apostasy (2Thes.2:3), when it has happened within Christendom itself. It began even in Paul's day -- he called it the "teaching of demons" (1Tim.4:1) -- and it has reached a point where it is well to run from every teaching of the Christian religion. This religion has so consistently twisted and misapplied God’s Word that it (the religion) has become a yardstick of truth (except for shards of truth amid the wreckage). It works like this: If the Christian church teaches it, it must be wrong. To arrive at truth, one simply lists Christian doctrines, then believes the opposite.

2Cor.11:14 And no marvel, for Satan himself is being transfigured into a messenger of light.
2Cor.11:15 It is no great thing, then, if his servants also are being transfigured as dispensers of righteousness--whose consummation shall be according to their acts.

Think about this: In Christ's day it was the religious elite whose work was Satanic. How shocked the pharisees were when Jesus told them this; their only recourse was to turn it on Him with, "Are we not saying that you have a demon?"

Has history repeated itself?

[Eeset-Shadowgrl]

I'm afraid not.

This religion has so consistently twisted and misapplied God’s Word that it (the religion) has become a yardstick of truth (except for shards of truth amid the wreckage). It works like this: If the Christian church teaches it, it must be wrong. To arrive at truth, one simply lists Christian doctrines, then believes the opposite.

Oh! This should be copied into the threads about proposition 8, gay marriage and similar discussions.

[Thersites]

I'm afraid not.

Eph.4:14 ... that we may by no means still be minors, surging hither and thither and being carried about by every wind of teaching, by human caprice, by craftiness with a view toward the systematizing of the deception.

In all sincerity, Christendom today is systematized deception.

Christianity is on the lookout for the apostasy (2Thes.2:3), when it has happened within Christendom itself. It began even in Paul's day -- he called it the "teaching of demons" (1Tim.4:1) -- and it has reached a point where it is well to run from every teaching of the Christian religion. This religion has so consistently twisted and misapplied God’s Word that it (the religion) has become a yardstick of truth (except for shards of truth amid the wreckage). It works like this: If the Christian church teaches it, it must be wrong. To arrive at truth, one simply lists Christian doctrines, then believes the opposite.

2Cor.11:14 And no marvel, for Satan himself is being transfigured into a messenger of light.
2Cor.11:15 It is no great thing, then, if his servants also are being transfigured as dispensers of righteousness--whose consummation shall be according to their acts.

Think about this: In Christ's day it was the religious elite whose work was Satanic. How shocked the pharisees were when Jesus told them this; their only recourse was to turn it on Him with, "Are we not saying that you have a demon?"

Has history repeated itself?

I will treat it as satire anyway

[Sparko]

If everyone is going to be saved anyway, why do you care what Christendom teaches?

[caspian]

If everyone is going to be saved anyway, why do you care what Christendom teaches?

Paul taught that in time all will be saved, but still exhorted Timothy to charge and teach 1) reliance on GOD not FREE WILL, and 2) that God is the saviour of all mankind. A saviour is one who saves:

1Ti 4:9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
1Ti 4:10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers.
1Ti 4:11 These things be charging and teaching.

Beyond this, you'll have to ask Paul one day.

[smaneck]

If everyone is going to be saved anyway, why do you care what Christendom teaches?

Christian exclusivity has caused a lot of pain, destruction and even death on this plane of existence.

[Sparko]

Paul taught that in time all will be saved, but still exhorted Timothy to charge and teach 1) reliance on GOD not FREE WILL, and 2) that God is the saviour of all mankind. A saviour is one who saves:

1Ti 4:9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
1Ti 4:10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers.
1Ti 4:11 These things be charging and teaching.

Beyond this, you'll have to ask Paul one day.

1. where does paul teach that all will be saved?

2. If all will be saved then it doesn't matter what anyone believes. You can be a satanist if you wish, or a hindu, or atheist, and you still go to heaven. Might as well live your life full of sin and debauchery while you are at it too. Nothing makes a difference since all will be saved.

In fact, this entire life makes no difference since we are all going to be saved. God might as well just skipped this entire segment of history and just created us in eternity as already saved. It would have skipped all the pain and suffering.

[Sparko]

Christian exclusivity has caused a lot of pain, destruction and even death on this plane of existence.

more like "abuse of Christianity" has caused a lot of pain. Just like every other religion. If we are all going to be saved anyway, then its all a waste of time. It makes no difference what you believe. The whole bible becomes a joke as does the holy books of every other religion. It means nothing. Life means nothing. Suffering means nothing.

[smaneck]

more like "abuse of Christianity" has caused a lot of pain. Just like every other religion. If we are all going to be saved anyway, then its all a waste of time. It makes no difference what you believe. The whole bible becomes a joke as does the holy books of every other religion. It means nothing. Life means nothing. Suffering means nothing.

I don't see why it would. Zoroastrianism, which was the first prophetic religion to speak of paradise and hell, did not see hell as eternal. How could they? The ultimate victory of Ahura Mazda the Wise Lord had to be total and therefore the entire good creation had to be ultimately redeemed. The fact that the good ultimately triumphs does not make our battles against evil in the here and now irrelevant.