Battle Hymn of the Republic = NOT Christian

[One Bad Pig]

The Battle Hymn would be more Biblical if it sad, "As he died to make men holy, let us LIVE to make men free."
Though I have heard it sung that way.

Why would that be more Biblical? Are we not to die to self? Are we not to take up our cross and follow Jesus? Jim Elliot's death made many men free. I can only aspire to his level of sacrifice.

Jesus, who died in our place, said "He that endures to the end will be delivered. Not a hair of his head will perish." We haven't matured to that much faith and hope and love, yet. We are too interested in getting to heaven. And the apostles hadn't reached that level of maturity either, except maybe John.

Do you seriously think the other apostles didn't endure to the end?

[Augustine2004]

The north was going to "kill every southerner"? Really?

Your inability to recognize hyperbole is noted.

lol

Please explain why you laughed.

[Augustine2004]

Why would that be more Biblical? Are we not to die to self? Are we not to take up our cross and follow Jesus? Jim Elliot's death made many men free. I can only aspire to his level of sacrifice.

May I note that Jim wasn't acting in any military capacity. Were the people that attacked and slaughtered his party any more noble or virtuous than Jim's people?

Do you seriously think the other apostles didn't endure to the end?

The early Christians raised a mighty army and it rose and and threw the Romans out. And we lived happily ever after.

[One Bad Pig]

May I note that Jim wasn't acting in any military capacity. Were the people that attacked and slaughtered his party any more noble or virtuous than Jim's people?

May I note that Ty didn't specify acting in a military capacity? If you want to know about virtue in the context of the song, read Lincoln's second Inaugural address.

The early Christians raised a mighty army and it rose and and threw the Romans out. And we lived happily ever after.

You need help.

[Augustine2004]

May I note that Ty didn't specify acting in a military capacity? If you want to know about virtue in the context of the song, read Lincoln's second Inaugural address.

You need help.

You want to know what kind of person Lincoln really was, the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people.

Help for what? I do know what I said about the early Christians is not true.

[TyRockwell]

Why would that be more Biblical? Are we not to die to self? Are we not to take up our cross and follow Jesus? Jim Elliot's death made many men free. I can only aspire to his level of sacrifice.

We should die to ourselves daily. That simply means, "Not my will, but God's be done."
That does not mean 'be ready to physically die at the first oppotunity.' I believe that we should hope for the best possible outcome, that though all else be lost, there can still be miraculous intervention such that lives are preserved.

Do you seriously think the other apostles didn't endure to the end?

According to the measure of "Not one hair of your head will perish," it seems that only John endured to the end.

[One Bad Pig]

You want to know what kind of person Lincoln really was, the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people.

Yeah, you anti-war types like to say that about anyone who was in charge when their country was at war. Kinda like the mantra, "what if they threw a war, and nobody came?" Idiots. The agressor ALWAYS comes. The choice is then to either resist or roll over. You wanna roll over? Fine. Just stay out of my line of fire.

Help for what? I do know what I said about the early Christians is not true.

Well, that's a relief. What sort of relevance was it supposed to have with what you replied to?

[One Bad Pig]

We should die to ourselves daily. That simply means, "Not my will, but God's be done."
That does not mean 'be ready to physically die at the first oppotunity.' I believe that we should hope for the best possible outcome, that though all else be lost, there can still be miraculous intervention such that lives are preserved.

Neither should the song lyrics be construed to mean "be ready to physically die at the first opportunity." Soldiers don't do that.

According to the measure of "Not one hair of your head will perish," it seems that only John endured to the end.

Your literalist straightjacket just condemned the other apostles to hell. Wow.

[Seasanctuary]

The agressor ALWAYS comes. The choice is then to either resist or roll over. You wanna roll over? Fine. Just stay out of my line of fire.

*toast*

[Augustine2004]

The agressor ALWAYS comes. The choice is then to either resist or roll over. You wanna roll over? Fine. Just stay out of my line of fire.

Wow, OBP thinks the South was the aggressor. I had no idea our schools were that bad.

Well, that's a relief. What sort of relevance was it supposed to have with what you replied to?

Yet more evidence our government-operated schools are bad. We managed to accomplish something good without huge armies brandishing burnished steel.

[Hamster]

Wow, OBP thinks the South was the aggressor. I had no idea our schools were that bad.

The South was trying to hold our people hostage.

[TyRockwell]

Neither should the song lyrics be construed to mean "be ready to physically die at the first opportunity." Soldiers don't do that.

So "Onward Christian Soldiers, fight and win, and live to make men free," works well.

Your literalist straightjacket just condemned the other apostles to hell. Wow.

Not so. They didn't lose their salvation by how they lost their lives. Aren't you glad?
Still, you'd have to say its better to live out the full potential number of your days triumphing over all Christ's enemies, and without so much as a hair perishing. No?

[Augustine2004]

The South was trying to hold our people hostage.

Why did you write that? Are you a black person?

[One Bad Pig]

Why did you write that? Are you a black person?

Think Fort Sumter, along with every other piece of Federal property that the South overran. Oh wait, you don't think that was aggression.

[One Bad Pig]

So "Onward Christian Soldiers, fight and win, and live to make men free," works well.

No, there's no need to alter the lyrics to match your twisted eisegesis.

Not so. They didn't lose their salvation by how they lost their lives. Aren't you glad?

Let's look at the actual verse, shall we?

Mark 13:13 NKJV

And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

Meaning that those who do not endure to the end are not saved. Sheesh. You exegete about as well as Satan does.

Still, you'd have to say its better to live out the full potential number of your days triumphing over all Christ's enemies, and without so much as a hair perishing. No?

Phil 1:21

For me, to live is Christ, but to die is gain.

1 Cor 15:55

Death, where is your sting? Hades, where is your victory?

Matt 10:28

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

I do not seek death, but neither do I fear it. I would far rather die for my Lord than live apart from Him. Even if they kill my body, they cannot take away my salvation - which is worth more than any earthly triumph. Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord. HE will repay.