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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostThe key word here is highlighted above. I do not trust this to remain the case and even most is not good enough.
Slippery slope is still a fallacy.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe "killing vs murder" distinction is what I had in mind when I mentioned suicide by cop... Even in a case where somebody was forcing the cop into shooting, some can scream "he murdered" the victim, because he (the cop) had the option of "shooting the gun out of the bad guy's hand" or whatever.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostPublic policy driven by exceptions in invariably bad public policy.
Fortunately for the millions who will survive cancer this wasn't law in the 70's and 80's when the first real strides in effective treatment were being made.
It's still black/white thinking that stays very much in the tunnel - pain can be managed; symptoms alleviated and the dying given both comfort and dignity minus deliberately killing anyone.Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostI agree. I do not have any great fear of being put to death, but I would prefer to wait for it to happen naturally.
Yes, we can do a lot of things to manage pain. Dignity and comfort are pretty questionable when you're to the point where someone has to clean up your messes because you have zero control and can't even get to a bathroom. On the contrary, one of the arguments in favor of euthanasia is allowing people to die before they (inevitably) lose their dignity.
These cases aren't exceptions. Stage IV cancer and ALS are real things. There's a reason Medicare and insurance provides for hospice care. Terminal with less than six months to live isn't an exception. It's life.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Spartacus View PostHe asked about what's wrong with suicide more generally, and I answered in that context.
That said, Tassman also seems to be quite fine with going down the slippery slope that I pointed out. You may be arguing for letting people with very painful terminal illnesses shorten their suffering, but he seems to want a rather broader euthanasia policy.
I've also previously mentioned double effect and palliative sedation, in which the doctor administers a potentially fatal dose of painkillers with the intention of reliving pain, but also aware that it might be a fatal dose.
Palliative sedation is a viable solution, but I question why a fatal dose would be impermissible in lieu of continued sedation. The concept of double effect is interesting but fairly irrelevant for me. It doesn't interact at all with how I determine permissible actions.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostYour sensitivity to generalizations you have no problem dishing out is just priceless.That's what
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostWhere murder is unjustified killing, people can scream all they want without it being true.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostAs I said before "it could be abused" isn't a useful objection since it applies to literally everything. . . .Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostThe cop reasonably defends against an attack. The attacker knows and plans on the eventual outcome. It's 100% voluntary on the part of the attacker.
Uh, no. Suicide by definition being voluntary vs murder by definition being involuntary. That it's not always easy to determine which category something falls under doesn't stop it from being an equivocation."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostThis brings to mind John Reece's somewhat recent surgeries where, by his own admission, best case scenario was for him to die on the operating table.
Yes, we can do a lot of things to manage pain. Dignity and comfort are pretty questionable when you're to the point where someone has to clean up your messes because you have zero control and can't even get to a bathroom. On the contrary, one of the arguments in favor of euthanasia is allowing people to die before they (inevitably) lose their dignity.
These cases aren't exceptions. Stage IV cancer and ALS are real things. There's a reason Medicare and insurance provides for hospice care. Terminal with less than six months to live isn't an exception. It's life."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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