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  • The right to die?

    I tried to do this before and went nowhere but I want to give it another shot.

    Do people have a right to end their lives on their own terms IE: assisted suicide? I'm not asking if you would end your life that way, but do you think others have that right themselves? I personally believe that if someone wishes to end their life (for whatever reason) that it is their fundamental right. It is your body and you know how much pain you can take - mentally or physically. Others should simply concern themselves with their own life, and let other decide for themselves.

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    My answer is no. I'm not going to go into the issue of chronic untreatable pain because I'm not prepared to discuss that right now, but having said that: Most people will intervene if they see somebody attempting suicide. I think this is because they recognize the person is not in the state of mind to make such a permanent decision.

    With assisted suicide, it's less likely to be a snap decision, but the still principle is still relevant: Can we be sure the person knows what they are doing, fully aware of the ramifications?

    Obviously, if somebody is determined to commit suicide, we can't prevent it, but I do think we (i.e. other people) have a duty to at the very least not participate in the process.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    • #3
      No.
      It violates the Hippocratic Oath. Besides who else will it affect? Not just the one wanting it that is for sure.

      Besides our bodies are not entirely our own.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
        My answer is no. I'm not going to go into the issue of chronic untreatable pain because I'm not prepared to discuss that right now, but having said that: Most people will intervene if they see somebody attempting suicide. I think this is because they recognize the person is not in the state of mind to make such a permanent decision.

        With assisted suicide, it's less likely to be a snap decision, but the still principle is still relevant: Can we be sure the person knows what they are doing, fully aware of the ramifications?

        Obviously, if somebody is determined to commit suicide, we can't prevent it, but I do think we (i.e. other people) have a duty to at the very least not participate in the process.
        How do you know if someones not in the right state of mind? What gives you the right to make that decision for them? If we don't have the right to decide our own fate then we are not truly free.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TheWall View Post
          It violates the Hippocratic Oath.
          No it doesn't.

          Besides who else will it affect?
          That doesn't give them a right to force someone to live. That's what's truly selfish - not suicide.

          Besides our bodies are not entirely our own.
          Not all of us believe that jazz. Please respect our decisions for our destiny, and you worry about your own.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
            How do you know if someones not in the right state of mind? What gives you the right to make that decision for them? If we don't have the right to decide our own fate then we are not truly free.
            That's my point; you don't know, so the safe default is to assume they're not. I'm arguing that most people would default to that if they see a stranger attempting suicide in public.
            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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            • #7
              I'm also terrified of the prospect of involuntary euthanasia, where someone else decides to "put you to sleep" to make it so no one has to help you.
              If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                That's my point; you don't know, so the safe default is to assume they're not.
                And what happens when they explain themselves and give their reasons? Who are you to decide whats enough? It's not your business.

                I'm arguing that most people would default to that if they see a stranger attempting suicide in public.
                If they endanger others maybe. But if someone wishes to peacefully die without resorting to gruesome methods, they should be allowed. Suicide is sad don't get me wrong, but it's a lot sadder when someone does something that could harm others too.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                  I'm also terrified of the prospect of involuntary euthanasia, where someone else decides to "put you to sleep" to make it so no one has to help you.
                  Right, but you're not terrified of involuntary life because???

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
                    Who are you to decide whats enough? It's not your business.
                    And that's a fundamental disagreement that can't be bridged. I believe it is one's business to watch after the welfare of their fellow man, even if it's in the form of protecting them from themself.

                    I also acknowledge you can't truly stop somebody determined to commit suicide.
                    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                      And that's a fundamental disagreement that can't be bridged. I believe it is one's business to watch after the welfare of their fellow man, even if it's in the form of protecting them from themself.

                      I also acknowledge you can't truly stop somebody determined to commit suicide.
                      This is where religion becomes a problem for others.

                      It's not your right. Your rights end where mine begin. I don't advocate pulling your plug, but don't stop me from pulling mine, ok?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
                        This is where religion becomes a problem for others.

                        It's not your right. Your rights end where mine begin. I don't advocate pulling your plug, but don't stop me from pulling mine, ok?
                        In your OP, you framed the issue as "assisted suicide". That doesn't refer to actively stopping somebody from doing it but rather from participating - i.e. "assisted". Even if one doesn't think they have the right to stop somebody else from doing it, they can still accept that they should not participate.

                        Having said that, I make no apology about the fact that I would prevent somebody from pulling the plug. Just like how I went into the dorm room of a drunk gambling addict I knew in college and unplugged his Internet after he talked about playing online poker for thousands of dollars. (And he was thankful later.)
                        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                          In your OP, you framed the issue as "assisted suicide". That doesn't refer to actively stopping somebody from doing it but rather from participating - i.e. "assisted". Even if one doesn't think they have the right to stop somebody else from doing it, they can still accept that they should not participate.
                          I'm not asking if you would do it. My question is related to whether people should be allowed to do it.

                          Having said that, I make no apology about the fact that I would prevent somebody from pulling the plug. Just like how I went into the dorm room of a drunk gambling addict I knew in college and unplugged his Internet after he talked about playing online poker for thousands of dollars.
                          He was a grown man. Whatever his problems are/were they were his to find help for, not for you to make decisions for him, as if he was a small child. If I want to gamble it's none of your business how much I put on the line.

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                          • #14
                            Of course it should be legal. Seems like a non-issue to me.
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                            • #15
                              How is it selfish to want to preserve life?
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