The right to die?

[TheWall]

Isis is a terrorist organization. We are at war with them. Yet if a member were to repent. Were to turn away from isis to live a good life it would only be right to give them a chance.

As for the death penalty I feel that it doesnt work because we are not perfect. Information that may free an innocent may come up to late.

[Sea of red]

Isis is a terrorist organization. We are at war with them. Yet if a member were to repent. Were to turn away from isis to live a good life it would only be right to give them a chance.

As for the death penalty I feel that it doesnt work because we are not perfect. Information that may free an innocent may come up to late.

I guess.

[Cow Poke]

The law says abortion isn't murder, do you agree with that?

I don't think the law actually says that abortion isn't murder - it just makes exception for the murder of innocents. The gray area is that either side will argue that the unborn baby is or is not a person. Not an applicable example. If, however, you murder a woman who is pregnant, you can, in fact, be charged with a double homicide.

The Unborn Victims Act of 2004

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes a child in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".

The law is codified in two sections of the United States Code: Title 18, Chapter 1 (Crimes), §1841 (18 USC 1841) and Title 10, Chapter 22 (Uniform Code of Military Justice) §919a (Article 119a).

The law applies only to certain offenses over which the United States government has jurisdiction, including certain crimes committed on federal properties, against certain federal officials and employees, and by members of the military. In addition, it covers certain crimes that are defined by statute as federal offenses wherever they occur, no matter who commits them, such as certain crimes of terrorism.

Because of principles of federalism embodied in the United States Constitution, federal criminal law does not apply to crimes prosecuted by the individual states. However, 38 states also recognize the fetus or "unborn child" as a crime victim, at least for purposes of homicide or feticide.

[Bill the Cat]

I don't view sacrificing your own life to save another as suicide, not by any meaningful definition of the term. 2000 years of Christian thought universally condemns suicide, yet sees no contradiction between this and Jesus saying "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friend.

Samson committed suicide to take out the Philistines so they wouldn't take out the Jews

[Sea of red]

I don't think the law actually says that abortion isn't murder - it just makes exception for the murder of innocents.

No, it says it's not murder, which is why it's allowed.

The gray area is that either side will argue that the unborn baby is or is not a person. Not an applicable example. If, however, you murder a woman who is pregnant, you can, in fact, be charged with a double homicide.

I'm not to sure where the line qualifies on that, so I'll not put my foot in my mouth.

Anyways, do you want to answer the OP?

[Cow Poke]

No, it says it's not murder, which is why it's allowed.

Citation, please.

I'm not to sure where the line qualifies on that, so I'll not put my foot in my mouth.

Anyways, do you want to answer the OP?

When we're done dealing with this.... you responded to my post, and asked about abortion. I'd like you to back up your claim that the law says that abortion isn't murder.

[KingsGambit]

Samson committed suicide to take out the Philistines so they wouldn't take out the Jews

I think it's murky because it was in the context of war. We don't consider killing in war to be murder, after all...

[Cow Poke]

I think it's murky because it was in the context of war. We don't consider killing in war to be murder, after all...

There is, indeed, a distinction between killing and murder.

[Starlight]

I think it's murky because it was in the context of war. We don't consider killing in war to be murder, after all...

Well I largely do, which is one reason I am so absolutely against war.

[Sea of red]

Citation, please.

I could ask you the same thing. I'd assume it would be common sense to know that abortion doesn't fall under the category of murder of US law.

When we're done dealing with this.... you responded to my post, and asked about abortion. I'd like you to back up your claim that the law says that abortion isn't murder.

You responded to my thread and my comment. I'm going to ask politely to either respond to the OP or leave. I don't want this topic to derail as it's too important to me.

[Cow Poke]

I could ask you the same thing. I'd assume it would be common sense to know that abortion doesn't fall under the category of murder of US law.

OK, I'm not going to argue just to argue. You made a statement, I'm asking you to back it up. If you can't --- if that's just your opinion, that's cool.

You responded to my thread and my comment. I'm going to ask politely to either respond to the OP or leave. I don't want this topic to derail as it's too important to me.

Wow. You brought up abortion, and it's ME who's taking it off topic? How bout just admitting abortion is a bad example, and we can drop it.

Here's your statement, Sea...

The law says abortion isn't murder, do you agree with that?

either you can back it up or you can't

[TheWall]

In the case of Samson or the soldier who takes a bullet for his freind I would like to relate my thoughts on that like this.

Iron Giant- You Stay. I GO. NO FOLLOWING.
The giant flies up. He knows the missle will probably destroy him. He closes his eyes. Thinking of his freinds and the first hero he came to know.
Iron Giant- Superman.
Boom.
The giant is declared a hero.

[Sea of red]

OK, I'm not going to argue just to argue. You made a statement, I'm asking you to back it up. If you can't --- if that's just your opinion, that's cool.

You could have fooled me. We both know what the law says, so just stop it. I'm not going to actually waste my time arguing something like this - it's just ridiculous.

Wow. You brought up abortion, and it's ME who's taking it off topic? How bout just admitting abortion is a bad example, and we can drop it.

Whatever, it's my fault, yeah. Just drop it already.

either you can back it up or you can't

Either you can discuss the OP or you can't. Do it in your next post, or leave the thread.

[Sea of red]

In the case of Samson or the soldier who takes a bullet for his freind I would like to relate my thoughts on that like this.

Iron Giant- You Stay. I GO. NO FOLLOWING.
The giant flies up. He knows the missle will probably destroy him. He closes his eyes. Thinking of his freinds and the first hero he came to know.
Iron Giant- Superman.
Boom.
The giant is declared a hero.

A good movie.

[Cow Poke]

You could have fooled me. We both know what the law says, so just stop it. I'm not going to actually waste my time arguing something like this - it's just ridiculous.

So, you made a statement you can't defend, and refuse to even try.

Whatever, it's my fault, yeah. Just drop it already.

OK, abortion is a bad example.

Either you can discuss the OP or you can't. Do it in your next post, or leave the thread.

Sure, I will in my next post.