Justified Killing - Progressive vs Conservative morality

[rogue06]

How are they being compared, though? If it's simply "more assaults are stopped by demonstrating the presence of a gun than shooting" then we have to ask if demonstrating the presence of a gun is more common than actually shooting, and by how much, as that can make a very big difference in regards to the comparison.

IIRC, one study revealed a 10 to 1 difference.

[Cow Poke]

How are they being compared, though? If it's simply "more assaults are stopped by demonstrating the presence of a gun than shooting" then we have to ask if demonstrating the presence of a gun is more common than actually shooting, and by how much, as that can make a very big difference in regards to the comparison.

Since no crime is committed when "brandishing a weapon" with good cause, there are no stats. It would be very hard to do a study on that.

[Cow Poke]

IIRC, one study revealed a 10 to 1 difference.

That would not surprise me, but I don't know how you would gather those stats with confidence.

[rogue06]

That would not surprise me, but I don't know how you would gather those stats with confidence.

I cannot recall the methodology employed. It was several years back.

[Cow Poke]

I cannot recall the methodology employed. It was several years back.

And, AGAIN, it puts me in mind of the "stop and rob" store in NW Houston where the owner put up a sign that said "Free Coffee for Concealed Carry Holders who Drink it Here".

He had a little seating area in the front of the store, and you can only imagine that any would be robber would think twice about a couple of bubbas sitting there drinking coffee.

[mossrose]

I guessed I learned that my efforts were in vain and to just not try anymore.

Why do you expect us to try if you are not willing to?

I'm as blunt with people as they are with me on this forum now. It's how I used to be before I joined this site and mellowed for a bit. But I went through some changes in real life and some other things happened on here that made me just say "forget this" and just lay it on the line. Your buddies do the exact same thing and you have no problem with it - in fact, you say it's within the rules. Why do you only speak-up when the other side does it? They are big boys and girls and if they don't like what they receive, then they should go back and critically examine some of their own posts.

There's nothing wrong with being blunt. What is wrong is that every single post is a complaint about "the other side". Yes, many believers do the same thing. And yes, it is within the rules. Most of the complaining you do is about staff, and we deal with staff behind the scenes fairly frequently.

Not everything is their fault, I'll admit, but it's not all my fault either. Your friends are not angels. I've made mistakes and tried to apologize to some people I've been unfair to - most on here never do that. But I've learned it doesn't go very far or make a difference. If other people aren't going to make an effort then I'm not going to either.

If that makes me a bad guy and you still see me as the sum of the problem, sorry to hear you feel that way. Request me to leave and if I'm such a problem.

You're right, none of us are angels. There is fault on both sides. But the mature thing to do is to get over it and move on, to behave as you would have others behave toward you, and at least make an attempt. I don't see that happening with you or your friends Jaecp and Jim and whomever else you tag team with .

I am not going to ask you to leave. I like you. I just don't like how you've been behaving, and I am challenging you to look at your own behaviour and at least make an attempt to change.

If you decide to leave, it will be your choice.

[Sea of red]

Why do you expect us to try if you are not willing to?

I don't.

There's nothing wrong with being blunt. What is wrong is that every single post is a complaint about "the other side". Yes, many believers do the same thing. And yes, it is within the rules.

So what? Lots of conservatives on this site complain about liberals and atheists constantly, making thread after thread about their grievances with us. You don't have a problem with that. All I'm doing is taking advantage of the boundaries of the rules like some other posters, and it seems you only have a problem when I'm the one 'on the line' but not over it.

Most of the complaining you do is about staff, and we deal with staff behind the scenes fairly frequently.

I don't think I've complained about the rules for awhile. It's your site and your property, so do what you want.

You're right, none of us are angels. There is fault on both sides. But the mature thing to do is to get over it and move on, to behave as you would have others behave toward you, and at least make an attempt. I don't see that happening with you or your friends Jaecp and Jim and whomever else you tag team with .

Tag team? Firstly, I'm not tag teaming anymore than the rest of the crowd that gangs up on a single nonchristian or liberal. I don't even know Jim or talk to him at all, so that's just a really weird belief on your part - I don't know where his name comes from.

I am not going to ask you to leave. I like you. I just don't like how you've been behaving, and I am challenging you to look at your own behaviour and at least make an attempt to change.

I like you too. But I'm going to handle things my way. I feel like you're only seeing one side of things here, and you are not challenging any of your friends like you are doing to me here - at least not publicly. It would be one thing if you called each side out but just calling me out is really unfair.

I've said my peace on this.

[Starlight]

You're the one who is wrong about almost everything all of the time.

Um, are you confusing me with OBP or Bill the Cat? They're wrong about everything 99.99% of the time.

You're the one who has crazy discussions with your weird friends

I plead guilty to that one.

You've surrounded yourself with crazy people in your own Twilight Zone community on your island nation, and then think the rest of the world is crazy when you come to this forum.

Er, no dude, it's that the rest of the world thinks Americans are crazy. Actually. Americans have a worldwide reputation for craziness.

You've never known a single person who's been beaten up? Seriously? Come on man.

I have a relative who has a friend who has a relative who got beaten up by a criminal during a burglary. I never met that person though. Although my relative showed me their photo on the front page of the paper after it happened. Does that count as 'knowing someone' who got beaten up?

In the large city near where I live, in the past 2 weeks, home invaders have killed at least 2 residents in their own homes.

Er, so you're looking at statistics of around one chance in a million that you get hit by murderous home invaders then? What other one-in-a-million chances do you usually plan and prepare for in your everyday life?

If someone is trying to beat my family, or even myself, their life is not worth much to me... When anyone takes to crime they have effectively reduced the value of their own life.

This is what I thought, and the devaluing of life involved in your reasoning here is what I object to.

[mossrose]

I don't.


So what? Lots of conservatives on this site complain about liberals and atheists constantly, making thread after thread about their grievances with us. You don't have a problem with that. All I'm doing is taking advantage of the boundaries of the rules like some other posters, and it seems you only have a problem when I'm the one 'on the line' but not over it.


I don't think I've complained about the rules for awhile. It's your site and your property, so do what you want.


Tag team? Firstly, I'm not tag teaming anymore than the rest of the crowd that gangs up on a single nonchristian or liberal. I don't even know Jim or talk to him at all, so that's just a really weird belief on your part - I don't know where his name comes from.


I like you too. But I'm going to handle things my way. I feel like you're only seeing one side of things here, and you are not challenging any of your friends like you are doing to me here - at least not publicly. It would be one thing if you called each side out but just calling me out is really unfair.

I've said my peace on this.

Do what you like, then.

[Starlight]

I think it is safe to call B.S. on this one.

How often are people you know beaten up???

[Sea of red]

Sea, I tried apologizing to you fairly recently, and it only sent you on another rage. There's plenty of blame to go around. And, as Carrik can attest, I fully admitted that I "play to my fan base" just like I accuse the liberals of doing. I said I needed to reign that in, and I am.

Alright, I accept your apology then. I never actually saw it to be honest. I'll give you this, LPoT has never done that, so I'll give you points if this is sincere.

Thanks again.

[Cow Poke]

How often are people you know beaten up???

Do I have to know them for it to count?

[Roy]

Some liberals, despite their protestations, have an essentially pro-death penalty point of view in recommending life in prison as if that is not a death sentence, dragged out over the course of decades.

Life in prison is not a death sentence. You can be released from prison.

[Cow Poke]

Life in prison is not a death sentence. You can be released from prison.

Even a death sentence is not a death sentence. Multiple appeals, new trials, good behavior, etc...

[One Bad Pig]

Um, are you confusing me with OBP or Bill the Cat? They're wrong about everything 99.99% of the time.

Given your penchant for calling evil good and good evil, I'm happy to be considered wrong by you (and the company's not too shabby either).