Justified Killing - Progressive vs Conservative morality

[thewriteranon]

Personally, I'm not too thrilled about either/or. While not vehemently opposed to them, I'm not a big fan of guns, and think that gun culture is out of control.

So you don't want to see my scythe that's also a gun?

[Starlight]

Liberal policies (you like to call them progressive, cause you probably think that sounds more enlightened or something)

The terms progressive and liberal can mean slightly different things. Sometimes they're used interchangeably, but usually progressive is a subset of liberal. I deliberately used progressive in the OP rather than liberal, because in the context of US politics, people who use the label "progressive" have a general set of shared positions and views while the term "liberal" is much more vague an nebulous and a lot of people identify as "liberal" (e.g. Hillary Clinton) who nonetheless would not generally be identified as "progressive".

If a bad guy knows he can take things that belong to others, or "act the thug" with no fear of death or serious bodily harm coming to him, he's emboldened. You get more violence and aggression from the criminal element, not less.

Extensive scientific studies on crime and punishment have found that what deters potential criminals is the probability of being caught, not the harshness of the punishment. Ramping the punishment up to infinity has very little effect on crime, while changes in the probability of the criminal being caught for their crime have a huge effect on crime rates. It's why the death penalty is pointless because it deters no one, and why your point about criminals needing a fear of bodily harm is wrong.

[Adrift]

So you don't want to see my scythe that's also a gun?

Well yeah. Of course I'd want to see that!

[thewriteranon]

Well yeah. Of course I'd want to see that!

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[TheWall]

I to am for responsible weapon ownership.

[rogue06]

I've mentioned it before, but it appears that "progressive" Millenials seem to be embracing stand your ground laws, and gun ownership. There seems to be a growing rift between more libertarian-type progressives and more social-justice warrior types. Left leaning posters on a number of the aggregate sites I'm a member of, like Reddit, are hugely in favor for these things, and not against them at all. I imagine the new left will continue to move that way.

Personally, I'm not too thrilled about either/or. While not vehemently opposed to them, I'm not a big fan of guns, and think that gun culture is out of control.

I think they are savvy to the fact that the government just isn't going to come riding in to save the day like the cavalry in old Westerns and if you want the ones you love as well yourself to be safe in a crisis then you need to be the one to step up to the plate.

[rogue06]

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So we're giving up on the whole concealed weapon concept here.

[thewriteranon]

So we're giving up on the whole concealed weapon concept here.

There's also a warhammer that's also a gun!

[rogue06]

There's also a warhammer that's also a gun!

You could stick with one of the many variants of an axe gun

[TheWall]

When you said ax gun I thought of Joerge Sprave.

Look him up. Rougetech needs him as a consultant.

[Jedidiah]

And yet you're happy with them executing people (death penalty), their designated authorities shooting people (police shootings), and them going to war against whomever they feel like? That's a lot of power to given to someone you claim not to trust.

You are not so stupid. Don't act like you are.

[Jaecp]

Something worth mentioning that I don't think has come up yet:

the instances SL rejects are mostly of states or state representatives killing in the name of the state; the ones he endorses are of people making decisions on an individual level.

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

obviously SL is an anarchist

So you're saying he's a proponent of a small government securing the individuals freedoms over the desires of the beaucracy?

[Spartacus]

So you're saying he's a proponent of a small government securing the individuals freedoms over the desires of the beaucracy?

[Starlight]

I think they are savvy to the fact that the government just isn't going to come riding in to save the day like the cavalry in old Westerns and if you want the ones you love as well yourself to be safe in a crisis then you need to be the one to step up to the plate.

I've mentioned it before, but it appears that "progressive" Millenials seem to be embracing stand your ground laws, and gun ownership. There seems to be a growing rift between more libertarian-type progressives and more social-justice warrior types. Left leaning posters on a number of the aggregate sites I'm a member of, like Reddit, are hugely in favor for these things, and not against them at all. I imagine the new left will continue to move that way.

Millennials in general are just plain "liberal" across the board by the standards of the older generations. They're virtually all liberals on all the major issues that used to matter in the US. But millennials do have divisions between themselves and are split into two main camps: Libertarians and progressives. Both are liberal on social issues, both are anti-war, but they differ on guns, economics (libertarians are right-wing, progressives are left-wing), and the philosophical justification for their worldview.

[Bill the Cat]

Millennials in general are just plain "liberal" across the board by the standards of the older generations. They're virtually all liberals on all the major issues that used to matter in the US. But millennials do have divisions between themselves and are split into two main camps: Libertarians and progressives. Both are liberal on social issues, both are anti-war, but they differ on guns, economics (libertarians are right-wing, progressives are left-wing), and the philosophical justification for their worldview.

My generation was fairly liberal on social issues when I was in my early 20's. We wise up as we get older.