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    Quote Originally Posted by Carrikature View Post
    They certainly have basic reactions even in the womb, but there's not much reason to consider that anything like actual thought.
    You can only think about what you know about. A baby's experience is quite limited, so their thinking would be quite limited. If you deny the baby is actually thinking, then you have to come up with some magical point at which what goes on is now real thinking. This is too much like the magical point of attaining personhood for my way of thinking.

    Edited to add the word magical, and the final sentence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedidiah View Post
    You can only think about what you know about. A baby's experience is quite limited, so their thinking would be quite limited. If you deny the baby is actually thinking, then you have to come up with some point at which what goes on is now real thinking.
    It probably depends on the kid. And it would presumably be gradual. A zygote or embryo can't be thinking about anything. A three year old child is clearly thinking. But you can't pinpoint a day when a baby magically starts to think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    I heard that the kids decided to go do some experiments at Roguetech. They may have gotten super powers. Or just ended up at the hospital..
    They are not mutually exclusive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    Define thought. Do you need a language first? Don't you also need to be self-aware?
    There's not a real definition for 'thought'. Call it a linking together of discrete events. Rudimentary thought may be as simple as anticipating cause-effect. You don't need language or self-awareness to have thought. There are plenty of non-human animals that we believe can think without having either one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedidiah View Post
    You can only think about what you know about. A baby's experience is quite limited, so their thinking would be quite limited.
    Agreed.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jedidiah View Post
    If you deny the baby is actually thinking, then you have to come up with some magical point at which what goes on is now real thinking. This is too much like the magical point of attaining personhood for my way of thinking.

    Edited to add the word magical, and the final sentence.
    I don't think we could say they have thoughts in the womb. Perceptions are too limited for that. I'd expect they start having rudimentary thought shortly after birth, though it might be a few days or weeks. Newborns figure out pretty quickly that crying gets them attention, though.
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