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The End of Protestantism...?
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostWhat is a Catholic who doesn't submit to the authority of the pope?
What is a Catholic who doesn't hold to the sacraments?
What is a Catholic who doesn't believe that confession to a priest is necessary for forgiveness?
It seems to me that the author is willing to throw essential/defining elements of Catholicism under the bus to extend an invitation to Protestants to be a part of what they already are, which is Protestants."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostProtestantism is the Misc. section of Christianity anyway, it's the least likely to unify to anything simply because there'll always be some whackjob who gets butthurt about something and starts a church in his garage.
That said, I don't know how unified Catholics really are in practice.
The Catholicism practiced in Central America is probably quite a bit different than that practiced in the Middle East.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by JB DoulosChristou View PostLeithart spends most of his original "The End of Protestantism" article explaining where he sees the distinctions between Protestantism and Reformational Catholicism. In brief, Protestantism is defined over-and-against Roman Catholicism, whereas Reformational Catholicism isn't, and retains healthy aspects of Roman Catholicism that Protestantism has at times jettisoned or forgotten.Last edited by Rushing Jaws; 06-01-2018, 08:47 PM.
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Originally posted by Rushing Jaws View PostThat sounds like an argument for Anglicanism, or for certain strata of Anglicanism. And Anglicanism is a form of Protestantism.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostNot especially. It was more or less a unilateral move by King Henry VIII because the pope wouldn't grant him an anullment. Henry was certainly not in favor of the Reformation, having been granted the title Fidei Defensor for his attacks on it.
Henry VIII received that title in 1521 - before the break with Rome in 1534. So his receiving (and retaining) it, is no argument that he did not become a Protestant. Henrician Protestantism had more Catholic ingredients than the Protestantism of his son Edward VI; and the 1559 “settlement of religion” under Elizabeth (1558-1603) was a compromise between the Protestantisms of her father (1509-47) and her half-brother (1547-53). Her rejection of the Catholicism of her half-sister Mary (1553-8), and the replacement of it by Protestant worship and doctrine (as well as a body of legislation making the practice of her sister’s religion illegal, and impossible) shows that Elizabeth was a Protestant. As were, and have been, all her successors save one (who lost his throne as a result).
The C of E is unequivocally a Protestant Church, not a “Papist” or “Orthodox” one. Having “Catholic” features no more makes it Catholic, than its having “Orthodox” features makes it “Orthodox”. It is neither. Its ethos has always been Protestant, positively as well as negatively. Its Articles, Homilies, Creeds discipline, doctrine and structures are Protestant in matter or tone or both.Last edited by Rushing Jaws; 06-04-2018, 01:39 PM.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostProtestantism is the Misc. section of Christianity anyway, it's the least likely to unify to anything simply because there'll always be some whackjob who gets butthurt about something and starts a church in his garage.
Several of the OT Prophets can be seen as Protestants. The doctrine of biological evolution makes a lot of sense if seen as an example of Protestantism. Rudolf Bultmann’s theology was essentially a development of Lutheranism. The critical study of the Bible follows the logic of Protestantism. It can be argued that these are examples of the Protestant evangelisation of the surrounding culture; of the “cultural mandate” valued by Calvinism.
ISTM that the unity of Protestantism is as real, in the same way, as forensic righteousness: both can be real, in the eyes of God, without being empirically discernible by man. If it is real in God’s eyes, it is real in the one sense that matters; that it may seem not to be real, or not accessible as a reality, on Earth, is of no importance or relevance whatsoever.Last edited by Rushing Jaws; 06-04-2018, 04:54 PM.
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