Suicide promotion in Buddhism, Islam, Christian and Hindu religions

[stephen goswami]

Rebel and repentance resisting humanity, fallen from a pride-disintegrating Heaven(rev12-7) is plagued by death wish. Everything – body, soul, family, society, and nation is built up by love and disintegrates when pride-self-centeredness rises. Then love diminishes inversely. Infighting of chaotic emotions within self and with outside starts, making life miserable. Sin and suicide is an futile effort to escape . Religions are efforts of humanity to promote peace within self and with others in the material and spiritual world. So religions should be evaluated by this.
Though we have rejected Heavenly Father the highest love unity, He is eager to save us. So He has sent Christ, the love incarnate to save us from suicide wish. But we reject his principles while lip professing him. We had made religions around him and other emissaries of lesser Heavens of the spiritual world. These are represented by different pantheons of gods or angels ruling different degenerating Heavens, but loosely united together as the worldly states are with U.N.O.
Atheist Buddhism was promoted by an Aryan pantheon of gods rejecting God, the unity of good. They killed their father God according to scripture. They culture apathy to extinguish soul (nirvana) in a peaceful way. It is nothing but soul-suicide. Of course destruction of soul is never possible as many suicide people find out to their chagrin latter. But it gives them temporary peace. The religions humanity made around Christ were polluted by other pantheons of gods like Roman pantheon and Hebrew pantheons of angels. Christianity and Islam were most influenced by the latter. Christians took warrior god Jehovah (plural) as its God, as his nature is nearer their violent nature. War and murder is a form of suicide as our root is one. We kill self too when we kill another soul. So Christ said that your weapon destroys you too. Best warrior is the suicide killer.
But in Christian religions Christ’s influence tends to antidote fighting communal mentality of Old testament. So a better form of Christianity is life promoting as I have found out in my suicidal blues. Many have found so.
In Islam there is nothing to check the suicidal influence of war promoting Koran- a version of O.T. So they are most violence prone. At Keyamat even Allah orders suicide to the last killer angel. War spreads hatred promoting more violence and war. It degenerates the trodden down people by fear and inferiority complex.
Hindu religion, being an offshoot of Buddhism and Dravidic pantheon of gods, is also suicide promoting. Its incarnate Gods committed suicide as described by their epics. But due to nonviolence influence of Buddhism it is not as destructive as in Islam.
I have found out that reformed Christianity is the best to preserve love-life wish, conquering sin and suicide. Hindu and Buddhism are less destructive as they promote peaceable suicide. But Islam promotes war-suicide in violent form spreading destruction and vengeance around.

[barnasha]

Quran was revealed to a people who were caught up in a fight for their lives and said you could attack the person trying to kill you but only so long as you remain merciful and forgiving, and only as long as it is in self defense.

If you think that's bad, then something is wrong with

YOU


not "islam".

[stephen goswami]

Quran was revealed to a people who were caught up in a fight for their lives and said you could attack the person trying to kill you but only so long as you remain merciful and forgiving, and only as long as it is in self defense.

If you think that's bad, then something is wrong with

YOU


not "islam".

You are saying contradictory things- attacking people to kill with mercy and forgiving! Did Christ attacked his killers and advised us to do so? No! He never advised attacking enemy.
Now in India, Christians are being tortured and killed at the hand of Hindu extremists. Never we shall advice counter attack though in some cases there are counterattacks from demoralized Christians.
God is able to take care of our soul if we rely on Him. Body is a temporary vehicle to ascend to heaven of Love. It is not that important. If you attack back to save your body; your hate, which is already in us due to our fallen state, will be reinforced in you. When hate and vengeance prevails in you, you cant enter love-heaven. Any proposed heaven without love is hell indeed. Love.

[barnasha]

You are saying contradictory things- attacking people to kill with mercy and forgiving!

I don't know who your ancestors are, but they must have never faced death by oppressors - or you do not know any history.

[phase]

Mahatma Gandhi

[barnasha]

Mahatma Gandhi

ghandi was not in the position of Muhammad , nor was he in nazi death camps in germany.

[phase]

So your saying that Gandhis' life was not in danger during his passive resistance?

[stephen goswami]

I don't know who your ancestors are, but they must have never faced death by oppressors - or you do not know any history.

Certainly my carnal ancestors were Adam and Cain. But now i have become heavenly Father's child through Christ'. I have to be like Christ now. Love

[penguinfan]

Quran was revealed to a people who were caught up in a fight for their lives and said you could attack the person trying to kill you but only so long as you remain merciful and forgiving, and only as long as it is in self defense.

If you think that's bad, then something is wrong with

YOU


not "islam".

That's some pretty funny stuff, but as already pointed out, the Muslims fought people who either never were their enemy (Christian tribes in the Yemen) or did not pose a threat to Muslim lives (Muhammad's convoy robberies).

I'll give a 3/10 for the laugh.

[barnasha]

So your saying that Gandhis' life was not in danger during his passive resistance?

per my understanding, Britain was not besieging the entire colony of India. (although there were some murders and crimes committed).

Do you have any argument why Ghandi's India was similar to Muhammad's tribe in Arabia?

And sorry to use this example again, but how would "non-violent protest" help the jews in nazi death camps? (The question is meant to point out something, not to ask you for a good answer).

[phase]

per my understanding, Britain was not besieging the entire colony of India. (although there were some murders and crimes committed).

Do you have any argument why Ghandi's India was similar to Muhammad's tribe in Arabia?

And sorry to use this example again, but how would "non-violent protest" help the jews in nazi death camps? (The question is meant to point out something, not to ask you for a good answer).

No, I do not outside of the threat of death.
How one deals with the "threat of death" is a culture based issue as well as a religious one. One person is willing to die for their belief while another person is willing to kill for their belief. Death is death whether it be with a stick, sword, or semi-automatic.

Even though you were not asking for an answer about the nazi death camps let me point out one piece of useless information. They were freed in 1945 and became a nation in 1948. Would they have became a nation if not for the proceeding events?

[stephen goswami]

per my understanding, Britain was not besieging the entire colony of India. (although there were some murders and crimes committed).

Do you have any argument why Ghandi's India was similar to Muhammad's tribe in Arabia?

And sorry to use this example again, but how would "non-violent protest" help the jews in nazi death camps? (The question is meant to point out something, not to ask you for a good answer).

I think that even the nonviolent protest of Gandhi was not as effective as Christ’s love- forgiveness. But it was better than violent hate generating protests. Christ taught that we have to maintain and increase love in our soul at any cost, even torturous death. Then only we shall be worthy of love-heaven. Any other conception of heaven is self-contradictory and used to destroy people. Love

[smaneck]

Stephen,

You have made so many historical errors in your essay I don't even know where to begin, but let me point out some of the most glaring ones:

. Christians took warrior god Jehovah (plural) as its God,

Jehovah is always singular. Elohim is plural.

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Hindu religion, being an offshoot of Buddhism and Dravidic pantheon of gods,

The most holy scriptures of Hinduism are the Vedas which were composed a thousand years before Buddha, by Aryans, not Dravidians.

[smaneck]

per my understanding, Britain was not besieging the entire colony of India. (although there were some murders and crimes committed).

There was an interesting dialog on this subject between Gandhi and the great Jewish philosopher Martin Buber. Gandhi argued that the Jews should resist German oppression by adopting the methods of Satyagraha. Buber points out that Gandhi's methods work in India because he was able to appeal to the consciences of the British people. That simply isn't possible in a Fascist state.

[stephen goswami]

Stephen,

You have made so many historical errors in your essay I don't even know where to begin, but let me point out some of the most glaring ones:




Jehovah is always singular. Elohim is plural.

In Genesis Jehovah addresses himself as we. Jehovah and Elohim is the same. The word Allah is derived from elohim.
The most holy scriptures of Hinduism are the Vedas which were composed a thousand years before Buddha, by Aryans, not Dravidians.

In Veda’s time there were only Aryans and non-Aryans, no Hindu. The crude term Hindu religion was coined by missionaries to denote the numerous sects in India. It will never be found in any documents before 200 years. Actually Hindu means inhabitants of Hindustan. Still now Arabs call the Muslim hajj pilgrims as Hindus accordingly. The present misnomer Hindu religion is a mixture of Dravidic Vaisnav cult, Buddhist ideas and indigenous cults.