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      Re: John 6: 62-64

      Quote Originally posted by bc1980 View Post
      I'm sorry E.H. I'm having a hard time following what you are saying in post #13 and # 14. To me, your post read like a medical text book. It's my lack, not yours.

      My main point is, I disagree with your "diacritical death" usage. The whole Gospel event, as described earlier, is diacritical, culminating with His resurrection, not His crucifixion. To stop at His crucifixion is to stop short of the finish line.
      Sorry, you miss the whole point!

      The climax of the ministry of Jesus Christ is not at all his death, according to man's thoughts, but his diacritical death of self-revelation --as per all prophecy, his own consistent teaching to his disciples and all the witnesses of the apostles including Paul. Jesus Christ's "diacritical death" on the cross is the seal and finishing line of the "new covenant" (Jer. 31: 31-34; Matt. 26: 26-29 ff). A post-resurrection appearance is anti-climactic and ridiculously less important than what precedes it or the all-in-one, God's once and for all self-revelation in Christ for all posterity!

      You will be permanently blessed if you take your time to check it out thoroughly and carefully, as you should!

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      A post-resurrection appearance is anti-climactic and ridiculously less important than what precedes it

      That statement is anti-Scripture. You need to spend some time studying the resurrection.
      Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and God will take care of the other stuff.

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      Re: John 6: 62-64

      Quote Originally posted by bc1980 View Post
      One highly significant meaning of "diacritical" is the sign attached to Jesus's death to distinguish it as (an indicative list follows):

      1. Supernaturally caused by own will and power of "alive and active word" (Matt. 27:50; Mk. 15:37; Lk. 23:46; Jn. 19:30);


      "Breathing his last" and "giving up his spirit" are colorful metaphors for "he died". I would not say his death was "supernaturally caused by his own will and power" based on those metaphors. However, I willingly agree he had the power to not die had he so chosen. He willing lay down his life is not cause for calling it a "supernatural death".

      I can see where you get that, but imo you're making mountains out of mole hills.

      2. Diacritical death was the defining moment for Jesus' self-sufficient life or immortality (John 11: 25-26; Acts 1:3); and perfection and glory (Heb. 2: 9-10);

      John 11:25-26, Jesus' statement to Martha ("I am the resurrection and the life.....") was way before he was crucified and was not an announcement that his death would be "diacritical".

      Acts 1:3, Jesus presents (proved) himself alive (resurrected) to the apostles. This makes my point. It was his resurrection that was "diacritical".

      Hebrews 2:9-10, the writer is explaining how Jesus suffered as a man so he might be the perfect sacrifice. ( v. 9 "....He might taste death for everyone.") His death was "critical" but it was not "diacritical".

      3. Qualification for "the first among many brothers" (Rom. 8: 28-30)

      Romans 8:28-30, is a great passage that is talking about how and why God works in the believer's life. It is not a passage pointing to the "defining" moment when Jesus was crucified.

      4. Characterized by victory over the Devil and death (Heb. 2:14);

      Yes! Through his death, Christ rendered Satan powerless. Christ's death was a "diacritical" moment for Satan.

      5. Timing for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (John 14; 16);

      John 14; 16, I'm assuming you are meaning chapters 14 & 16. Yes, Jesus had to die before he could send the Holy Spirit. He also had to be born before he died. He had to be baptized. He had to be resurrected. That's why I say the Gospel event is "diacritical".

      4 But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, 5 to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons. 6 Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.
      Galatians 4:4

      The whole Gospel event was right on God's time.

      6. Qualification for "the first to be raised from death" (Rev. 1:5);

      Revelation 1:5 is not saying because Jesus was crucified he is qualified to be the first raised from the dead.

      If anything it was his sinless life that qualified him to be the first raised from the dead.

      If you want a defining moment, look at his baptism.

      16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
      Matthew 3:16-17

      Or the transfiguration.

      5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
      Matthew 17:5

      Context! Context! Context! Stay with the context. The Gospel is more than adequately explained in context within the Scriptures. We do not have to use eisegesis to magnify Christ. Who he is has done that for us. If we just present the truth in simple language, the Holy Spirit uses that to draw people to Christ.

      I am thrilled that you seem excited about who Christ is and what He has done. We will continue to discover how that has effected us for the all of eternity. Still, we need not read into passages something that the passage is not saying.

      Stay close to the context and you should be fine.

      Be blessed!
      3) Romans 8: 28-30
      (Content Analysis with Insight)

      First, I want to assure you that what is difficult to understand is not at all my language, as you think, but the substance we are dealing with, viz.: “secrets of the Kingdom of heaven” knowledge of which is given only to past, present and future disciples of Jesus Christ (Matt. 13:11).

      “Called according to his purpose”, “whom God had already chosen”, “set apart to become like his Son” and “so … Son would be the first among many brothers” to whom he “shared his glory” are all explicit expressions with powerful backward linkages to the “Gospel” of divine, glorious and blessed origin (1Tim. 1:11): associated with firsthand and personal vision of the immortal Christ at his diacritical death on the cross (“I am Jesus whom you persecute”, Acts 9:5).

      However insightful the analysis may be, no one can take the expression “the first among many brothers” at its premium value without his whole body being full of light with no part of it in darkness (Luke 11:36) –bright light originating from the slain Lamb standing in the centre of the throne: a definite reference to Christ in his diacritical death as exclusive authority to break the seals and open the scroll and source of the seven spirits of God that have been sent throughout the whole world (Rev. 5: 1-14).

      Let us all show our love for Jesus Christ by making him our sole mentor wholly in accordance with the “new covenant” order (Jer. 31: 31-34; John 6: 45; Matt. 26: 26-29 ff) or be prepared to be excluded forever from the Kingdom of heaven (Matt. 7: 21-23).

      GOD BLESS YOU ALL!

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      Re: John 6: 62-64

      Let us all show our love for Jesus Christ by making him our sole mentor wholly in accordance with the “new covenant” order

      If this statement means that you believe you don't need teachers you are falling into a rebellious trap that many have fallen into when they think their revelation exceeds that of everyone else. It happens frequently with guys in their 20's & 30's.

      Christ established teachers, pastors, leaders, etc. in the church for our good. They are not the enemy and they are not holding us back.

      God designed the church to live in communtity.

      Youthful zeal is good when harnessed, but dangerous when left unfettered.

      Good luck!
      Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and God will take care of the other stuff.

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      Re: John 6: 62-64

      Quote Originally posted by bc1980 View Post
      One highly significant meaning of "diacritical" is the sign attached to Jesus's death to distinguish it as (an indicative list follows):

      1. Supernaturally caused by own will and power of "alive and active word" (Matt. 27:50; Mk. 15:37; Lk. 23:46; Jn. 19:30);


      "Breathing his last" and "giving up his spirit" are colorful metaphors for "he died". I would not say his death was "supernaturally caused by his own will and power" based on those metaphors. However, I willingly agree he had the power to not die had he so chosen. He willing lay down his life is not cause for calling it a "supernatural death".

      I can see where you get that, but imo you're making mountains out of mole hills.

      2. Diacritical death was the defining moment for Jesus' self-sufficient life or immortality (John 11: 25-26; Acts 1:3); and perfection and glory (Heb. 2: 9-10);

      John 11:25-26, Jesus' statement to Martha ("I am the resurrection and the life.....") was way before he was crucified and was not an announcement that his death would be "diacritical".

      Acts 1:3, Jesus presents (proved) himself alive (resurrected) to the apostles. This makes my point. It was his resurrection that was "diacritical".

      Hebrews 2:9-10, the writer is explaining how Jesus suffered as a man so he might be the perfect sacrifice. ( v. 9 "....He might taste death for everyone.") His death was "critical" but it was not "diacritical".

      3. Qualification for "the first among many brothers" (Rom. 8: 28-30)

      Romans 8:28-30, is a great passage that is talking about how and why God works in the believer's life. It is not a passage pointing to the "defining" moment when Jesus was crucified.

      4. Characterized by victory over the Devil and death (Heb. 2:14);

      Yes! Through his death, Christ rendered Satan powerless. Christ's death was a "diacritical" moment for Satan.

      5. Timing for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (John 14; 16);

      John 14; 16, I'm assuming you are meaning chapters 14 & 16. Yes, Jesus had to die before he could send the Holy Spirit. He also had to be born before he died. He had to be baptized. He had to be resurrected. That's why I say the Gospel event is "diacritical".

      4 But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, 5 to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons. 6 Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.
      Galatians 4:4

      The whole Gospel event was right on God's time.

      6. Qualification for "the first to be raised from death" (Rev. 1:5);

      Revelation 1:5 is not saying because Jesus was crucified he is qualified to be the first raised from the dead.

      If anything it was his sinless life that qualified him to be the first raised from the dead.

      If you want a defining moment, look at his baptism.

      16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
      Matthew 3:16-17

      Or the transfiguration.

      5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
      Matthew 17:5

      Context! Context! Context! Stay with the context. The Gospel is more than adequately explained in context within the Scriptures. We do not have to use eisegesis to magnify Christ. Who he is has done that for us. If we just present the truth in simple language, the Holy Spirit uses that to draw people to Christ.

      I am thrilled that you seem excited about who Christ is and what He has done. We will continue to discover how that has effected us for the all of eternity. Still, we need not read into passages something that the passage is not saying.

      Stay close to the context and you should be fine.

      Be blessed!
      4) Jesus’ Death as Victory over the Devil and Death (Heb. 2:14)

      Defined retroactively and in more precise terms, Christ rendered Satan completely powerless through the supernatural works of a) Cause (“blood” or self) and b) Effect (“water” or baptism work in the Holy Spirit) of his death resulting in the self-revelation of God in Jesus Christ as promised, taught and anticipated.

      Jesus Christ’s diacritical death is the mystery and glory of the Gospel as defining moment of his divine identity once and for all!

      Therefore, “Christ’s death (as) a diacritical moment for Satan” would reinstate the power he once wielded over death now destroyed for good!

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      Re: John 6: 62-64

      Quote Originally posted by bc1980 View Post
      One highly significant meaning of "diacritical" is the sign attached to Jesus's death to distinguish it as (an indicative list follows):

      1. Supernaturally caused by own will and power of "alive and active word" (Matt. 27:50; Mk. 15:37; Lk. 23:46; Jn. 19:30);


      "Breathing his last" and "giving up his spirit" are colorful metaphors for "he died". I would not say his death was "supernaturally caused by his own will and power" based on those metaphors. However, I willingly agree he had the power to not die had he so chosen. He willing lay down his life is not cause for calling it a "supernatural death".

      I can see where you get that, but imo you're making mountains out of mole hills.

      2. Diacritical death was the defining moment for Jesus' self-sufficient life or immortality (John 11: 25-26; Acts 1:3); and perfection and glory (Heb. 2: 9-10);

      John 11:25-26, Jesus' statement to Martha ("I am the resurrection and the life.....") was way before he was crucified and was not an announcement that his death would be "diacritical".

      Acts 1:3, Jesus presents (proved) himself alive (resurrected) to the apostles. This makes my point. It was his resurrection that was "diacritical".

      Hebrews 2:9-10, the writer is explaining how Jesus suffered as a man so he might be the perfect sacrifice. ( v. 9 "....He might taste death for everyone.") His death was "critical" but it was not "diacritical".

      3. Qualification for "the first among many brothers" (Rom. 8: 28-30)

      Romans 8:28-30, is a great passage that is talking about how and why God works in the believer's life. It is not a passage pointing to the "defining" moment when Jesus was crucified.

      4. Characterized by victory over the Devil and death (Heb. 2:14);

      Yes! Through his death, Christ rendered Satan powerless. Christ's death was a "diacritical" moment for Satan.

      5. Timing for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (John 14; 16);

      John 14; 16, I'm assuming you are meaning chapters 14 & 16. Yes, Jesus had to die before he could send the Holy Spirit. He also had to be born before he died. He had to be baptized. He had to be resurrected. That's why I say the Gospel event is "diacritical".

      4 But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, 5 to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons. 6 Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.
      Galatians 4:4

      The whole Gospel event was right on God's time.

      6. Qualification for "the first to be raised from death" (Rev. 1:5);

      Revelation 1:5 is not saying because Jesus was crucified he is qualified to be the first raised from the dead.

      If anything it was his sinless life that qualified him to be the first raised from the dead.

      If you want a defining moment, look at his baptism.

      16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
      Matthew 3:16-17

      Or the transfiguration.

      5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
      Matthew 17:5

      Context! Context! Context! Stay with the context. The Gospel is more than adequately explained in context within the Scriptures. We do not have to use eisegesis to magnify Christ. Who he is has done that for us. If we just present the truth in simple language, the Holy Spirit uses that to draw people to Christ.

      I am thrilled that you seem excited about who Christ is and what He has done. We will continue to discover how that has effected us for the all of eternity. Still, we need not read into passages something that the passage is not saying.

      Stay close to the context and you should be fine.

      Be blessed!
      5) TIMING FOR THE OUTPOURING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (John 14; 16)

      You assume right!

      I maintain that all the teachings of Jesus Christ beginning in John 3 through 7, 14 and 16 clearly promise the decisive giving of the Holy Spirit beginning exactly at Jesus Christ's death on the cross, i.e., his defining moment or self-revelation (John 8: 21-28). IOW, Pentecost is a large scale application of the convincing proof of the power of God's Spirit activated exactly at the moment of Jesus' death!

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      Re: John 6: 62-64

      Quote Originally posted by bc1980 View Post
      One highly significant meaning of "diacritical" is the sign attached to Jesus's death to distinguish it as (an indicative list follows):

      1. Supernaturally caused by own will and power of "alive and active word" (Matt. 27:50; Mk. 15:37; Lk. 23:46; Jn. 19:30);


      "Breathing his last" and "giving up his spirit" are colorful metaphors for "he died". I would not say his death was "supernaturally caused by his own will and power" based on those metaphors. However, I willingly agree he had the power to not die had he so chosen. He willing lay down his life is not cause for calling it a "supernatural death".

      I can see where you get that, but imo you're making mountains out of mole hills.

      2. Diacritical death was the defining moment for Jesus' self-sufficient life or immortality (John 11: 25-26; Acts 1:3); and perfection and glory (Heb. 2: 9-10);

      John 11:25-26, Jesus' statement to Martha ("I am the resurrection and the life.....") was way before he was crucified and was not an announcement that his death would be "diacritical".

      Acts 1:3, Jesus presents (proved) himself alive (resurrected) to the apostles. This makes my point. It was his resurrection that was "diacritical".

      Hebrews 2:9-10, the writer is explaining how Jesus suffered as a man so he might be the perfect sacrifice. ( v. 9 "....He might taste death for everyone.") His death was "critical" but it was not "diacritical".

      3. Qualification for "the first among many brothers" (Rom. 8: 28-30)

      Romans 8:28-30, is a great passage that is talking about how and why God works in the believer's life. It is not a passage pointing to the "defining" moment when Jesus was crucified.

      4. Characterized by victory over the Devil and death (Heb. 2:14);

      Yes! Through his death, Christ rendered Satan powerless. Christ's death was a "diacritical" moment for Satan.

      5. Timing for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (John 14; 16);

      John 14; 16, I'm assuming you are meaning chapters 14 & 16. Yes, Jesus had to die before he could send the Holy Spirit. He also had to be born before he died. He had to be baptized. He had to be resurrected. That's why I say the Gospel event is "diacritical".

      4 But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, 5 to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons. 6 Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.
      Galatians 4:4

      The whole Gospel event was right on God's time.

      6. Qualification for "the first to be raised from death" (Rev. 1:5);

      Revelation 1:5 is not saying because Jesus was crucified he is qualified to be the first raised from the dead.

      If anything it was his sinless life that qualified him to be the first raised from the dead.

      If you want a defining moment, look at his baptism.

      16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
      Matthew 3:16-17

      Or the transfiguration.

      5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
      Matthew 17:5

      Context! Context! Context! Stay with the context. The Gospel is more than adequately explained in context within the Scriptures. We do not have to use eisegesis to magnify Christ. Who he is has done that for us. If we just present the truth in simple language, the Holy Spirit uses that to draw people to Christ.

      I am thrilled that you seem excited about who Christ is and what He has done. We will continue to discover how that has effected us for the all of eternity. Still, we need not read into passages something that the passage is not saying.

      Stay close to the context and you should be fine.

      Be blessed!
      6) Qualification for the “the first to be raised from death” (Rev. 1:5)

      Of course, Jesus’ baptism was a defining moment but only, firsthand and personally, for John the Baptist (John 1: 29-34). “A witness even greater than the witness that John gave” is in store for us (John 5:36).

      The transfiguration, complete with two witnesses in glory (Moses and Elijah), was just a foretaste of much greater things to see and an additional preparation for three promising disciples in the way in which Jesus would soon fulfill God’s purpose by dying in Jerusalem (Luke 9: 28-31) in order to prosper in his great defining moment of going back up to the glory where he was before (John 6: 62-63; 17: 1-5).

      Therefore, the truth in Rev. 1:5 in conjunction with the prospect in Rom. 8: 28-30 lines up “many brothers” right behind Jesus Christ as he shares his glory with them –the glory of “I am the resurrection and the life” in the here and now, at death and here-after (John 11: 25-26) for those who are baptized in the Spirit into union with his (diacritical) death (Rom. 6: 3-5).

      This is “life in all its fullness” defined in the context of the death of Jesus! (John 10:10). AMEN!!!!!!!!!

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      Re: John 6: 62-64

      Quote Originally posted by bc1980 View Post
      Let us all show our love for Jesus Christ by making him our sole mentor wholly in accordance with the “new covenant” order

      If this statement means that you believe you don't need teachers you are falling into a rebellious trap that many have fallen into when they think their revelation exceeds that of everyone else. It happens frequently with guys in their 20's & 30's.

      Christ established teachers, pastors, leaders, etc. in the church for our good. They are not the enemy and they are not holding us back.

      God designed the church to live in communtity.

      Youthful zeal is good when harnessed, but dangerous when left unfettered.

      Good luck!
      In view of the following highlights among many:

      • “I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
      “None of them will have to teach his fellow countryman to know the LORD, because all will know me from the least to the greatest
      . Jer. 31: 33-34
      • “The prophets wrote, ‘Everyone will be taught by God.’ Anyone who hears the Father and learns from him comes to me.” John 6:45
      • “Sound doctrine is found in the gospel that was entrusted to me to announce the Good News from the glorious and blessed God.” 1 Tim. 1: 10-11

      It is not youthful zeal to ascribe primary authority in teaching for Jesus rather than for human teachers, pastors, leaders, etc. that are not thoroughly in tune themselves with God’s instructions. Only Jesus can teach with authority! (Matt. 24-29).

      In any case, we will not wait long to see which of our “two houses” are built to withstand life’s testing and troubles.

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      Only Jesus can teach with authority! (Matt. 24-29).

      Peter, Paul, John, James, etc. didn't seem to have a problem with teaching "with authority" either. If you don't recognize Jesus' delegated authorities (your pastor, teachers, boss, parents - if you live with them, etc.) in your life, you are walking in rebellion.

      Trying using the whole of Scripture to form your doctrine.
      Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and God will take care of the other stuff.

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      Re: John 6: 62-64

      Quote Originally posted by EphremHagos View Post
      By the grace of God, all I did was to coin a highly telling term to describe, without any modification, what is wholly Scriptural.

      “Diacritical” is the fitting description of the self-induced death of Jesus Christ on the cross which, according to Scriptures, consistently allows man’s life-transforming verification of God’s personal name, signature, seal and awesome power of salvation! According to John 3: 1-21 and 19: 30-37, the complete Terms of Reference in the death of Jesus Christ on the cross, (including Purpose, Manner, Timing and Verification), bears the all-in-one prospectus for the following:

      • The giving of the Holy Spirit (including Pentecost),
      • Revelation of Jesus’ divine identity (“the light”) and
      • The inducing of spiritual rebirth.

      To qualify the death of Jesus Christ with anything less than “diacritical” and “living sacrifice” is to make the gospel devoid of mystery, power and attraction! The diacritical death of Jesus Christ on the cross is the transcendent Forum for the Son of Man going back to the place where he was before (glory) pitting man’s inconsequential power (“dead in the flesh”) against God’s life-giving Spirit (John 6: 62-63) –the exact manner of God’s self-revelation to man throughout Scriptures!

      Therefore, "diacritical death" is likely to withstand all criticisms until somebody comes up with a better expression for the supernatural death of Jesus Christ complete with sustainable faith producing "blood" and "water" for "People to look at him whom they pierced" (John 19: 30-37).
      You seem to think that it's very helpful for you to describe the death of Christ as "diacritical" when talking to people. I don't think it's helpful at all. I think it's quite confusing. It doesn't make the gospel void if I don't use your idiosyncratic terminology to discuss the work of Christ. Christians have been talking about the gospel for two millenia, and no one calls it "diacritical" but you. There are plenty of perfectly good words already in wide usage to discuss the topics you're covering. The giving of the Holy Spirit results in our "indwelling" by the Spirit. The revelation of Jesus' character is just that: "revelation." Spiritual rebirth is called "regeneration." There's no need to make up new phrases familiar to no one but yourself. Do you find that most people you talk with are aided by your new term, as opposed to the old ones?
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      Quote Originally posted by RBerman View Post
      You seem to think that it's very helpful for you to describe the death of Christ as "diacritical" when talking to people. I don't think it's helpful at all. I think it's quite confusing. It doesn't make the gospel void if I don't use your idiosyncratic terminology to discuss the work of Christ. Christians have been talking about the gospel for two millenia, and no one calls it "diacritical" but you. There are plenty of perfectly good words already in wide usage to discuss the topics you're covering. The giving of the Holy Spirit results in our "indwelling" by the Spirit. The revelation of Jesus' character is just that: "revelation." Spiritual rebirth is called "regeneration." There's no need to make up new phrases familiar to no one but yourself. Do you find that most people you talk with are aided by your new term, as opposed to the old ones?
      "Diacritical" is, indeed, an idiosyncratic terminology very useful to remind us of the self-revelation of the immortal Christ right at his self-produced death on the cross --a Biblical truth rarely, if at all, heard in contemporary Christian circles!

      Although regrettable, your offense by the catchy word will never stop me from using it.

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      Only Jesus can teach with authority! (Matt. 24-29).

      Peter, Paul, John, James, etc. didn't seem to have a problem with teaching "with authority" either. If you don't recognize Jesus' delegated authorities (your pastor, teachers, boss, parents - if you live with them, etc.) in your life, you are walking in rebellion.

      Trying using the whole of Scripture to form your doctrine.
      If Peter's request to make three tents: one for Jesus, a second for Moses and a third for Elijah was turned down outright with the unmistakable answer: "This is my own dear Son, with whom I am pleased --listen to him" (Matt. 16: 4-5), one can settle for pastors, teachers, boss, parents, etc, only through suppression of the given firsthand and personal knowledge of Jesus Christ! This is not a secret to one of three scores and ten years around.

      No, thank you!

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      Good luck on your on!
      Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and God will take care of the other stuff.

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      1) Diacritical if used while witnessing or trying to get a point across will be a word of confusion and not clarification, thus it will be a liability and not an asset (by the way, i think it is a cool word)
      2) Authority is everywhere. Best to recognize and be synergistic with it. If a cop pulls you over for speeding, rest assured you are in his authority. Examples could go on for a long time.
      On a personal note: Until reading this tread and posting I thought I had a problem with church authority but now realize that I have a problem with trust and not the authority.
      Thanks for the thread.

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      Quote Originally posted by EphremHagos View Post
      "Diacritical" is, indeed, an idiosyncratic terminology very useful to remind us of the self-revelation of the immortal Christ right at his self-produced death on the cross --a Biblical truth rarely, if at all, heard in contemporary Christian circles!

      Although regrettable, your offense by the catchy word will never stop me from using it.
      That's disappointing. Perhaps after enough people tell you how unhelpful it is, you'll reconsider.

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