Thread: John 6: 62-64
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April 2nd 2009, 04:41 AM #16
Re: John 6: 62-64
Sorry, you miss the whole point!
The climax of the ministry of Jesus Christ is not at all his death, according to man's thoughts, but his diacritical death of self-revelation --as per all prophecy, his own consistent teaching to his disciples and all the witnesses of the apostles including Paul. Jesus Christ's "diacritical death" on the cross is the seal and finishing line of the "new covenant" (Jer. 31: 31-34; Matt. 26: 26-29 ff). A post-resurrection appearance is anti-climactic and ridiculously less important than what precedes it or the all-in-one, God's once and for all self-revelation in Christ for all posterity!
You will be permanently blessed if you take your time to check it out thoroughly and carefully, as you should!
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April 2nd 2009, 08:07 AM #17
Re: John 6: 62-64
A post-resurrection appearance is anti-climactic and ridiculously less important than what precedes it
That statement is anti-Scripture. You need to spend some time studying the resurrection.Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and God will take care of the other stuff.
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April 2nd 2009, 12:42 PM #18
Re: John 6: 62-64
3) Romans 8: 28-30
(Content Analysis with Insight)
First, I want to assure you that what is difficult to understand is not at all my language, as you think, but the substance we are dealing with, viz.: “secrets of the Kingdom of heaven” knowledge of which is given only to past, present and future disciples of Jesus Christ (Matt. 13:11).
“Called according to his purpose”, “whom God had already chosen”, “set apart to become like his Son” and “so … Son would be the first among many brothers” to whom he “shared his glory” are all explicit expressions with powerful backward linkages to the “Gospel” of divine, glorious and blessed origin (1Tim. 1:11): associated with firsthand and personal vision of the immortal Christ at his diacritical death on the cross (“I am Jesus whom you persecute”, Acts 9:5).
However insightful the analysis may be, no one can take the expression “the first among many brothers” at its premium value without his whole body being full of light with no part of it in darkness (Luke 11:36) –bright light originating from the slain Lamb standing in the centre of the throne: a definite reference to Christ in his diacritical death as exclusive authority to break the seals and open the scroll and source of the seven spirits of God that have been sent throughout the whole world (Rev. 5: 1-14).
Let us all show our love for Jesus Christ by making him our sole mentor wholly in accordance with the “new covenant” order (Jer. 31: 31-34; John 6: 45; Matt. 26: 26-29 ff) or be prepared to be excluded forever from the Kingdom of heaven (Matt. 7: 21-23).
GOD BLESS YOU ALL!
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April 2nd 2009, 04:05 PM #19
Re: John 6: 62-64
Let us all show our love for Jesus Christ by making him our sole mentor wholly in accordance with the “new covenant” order
If this statement means that you believe you don't need teachers you are falling into a rebellious trap that many have fallen into when they think their revelation exceeds that of everyone else. It happens frequently with guys in their 20's & 30's.
Christ established teachers, pastors, leaders, etc. in the church for our good. They are not the enemy and they are not holding us back.
God designed the church to live in communtity.
Youthful zeal is good when harnessed, but dangerous when left unfettered.
Good luck!Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and God will take care of the other stuff.
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April 3rd 2009, 01:04 PM #20
Re: John 6: 62-64
4) Jesus’ Death as Victory over the Devil and Death (Heb. 2:14)
Defined retroactively and in more precise terms, Christ rendered Satan completely powerless through the supernatural works of a) Cause (“blood” or self) and b) Effect (“water” or baptism work in the Holy Spirit) of his death resulting in the self-revelation of God in Jesus Christ as promised, taught and anticipated.
Jesus Christ’s diacritical death is the mystery and glory of the Gospel as defining moment of his divine identity once and for all!
Therefore, “Christ’s death (as) a diacritical moment for Satan” would reinstate the power he once wielded over death now destroyed for good!
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April 4th 2009, 03:11 AM #21
Re: John 6: 62-64
5) TIMING FOR THE OUTPOURING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (John 14; 16)
You assume right!
I maintain that all the teachings of Jesus Christ beginning in John 3 through 7, 14 and 16 clearly promise the decisive giving of the Holy Spirit beginning exactly at Jesus Christ's death on the cross, i.e., his defining moment or self-revelation (John 8: 21-28). IOW, Pentecost is a large scale application of the convincing proof of the power of God's Spirit activated exactly at the moment of Jesus' death!
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April 4th 2009, 04:38 AM #22
Re: John 6: 62-64
6) Qualification for the “the first to be raised from death” (Rev. 1:5)
Of course, Jesus’ baptism was a defining moment but only, firsthand and personally, for John the Baptist (John 1: 29-34). “A witness even greater than the witness that John gave” is in store for us (John 5:36).
The transfiguration, complete with two witnesses in glory (Moses and Elijah), was just a foretaste of much greater things to see and an additional preparation for three promising disciples in the way in which Jesus would soon fulfill God’s purpose by dying in Jerusalem (Luke 9: 28-31) in order to prosper in his great defining moment of going back up to the glory where he was before (John 6: 62-63; 17: 1-5).
Therefore, the truth in Rev. 1:5 in conjunction with the prospect in Rom. 8: 28-30 lines up “many brothers” right behind Jesus Christ as he shares his glory with them –the glory of “I am the resurrection and the life” in the here and now, at death and here-after (John 11: 25-26) for those who are baptized in the Spirit into union with his (diacritical) death (Rom. 6: 3-5).
This is “life in all its fullness” defined in the context of the death of Jesus! (John 10:10). AMEN!!!!!!!!!
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April 4th 2009, 11:08 AM #23
Re: John 6: 62-64
In view of the following highlights among many:
• “I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
“None of them will have to teach his fellow countryman to know the LORD, because all will know me from the least to the greatest. Jer. 31: 33-34
• “The prophets wrote, ‘Everyone will be taught by God.’ Anyone who hears the Father and learns from him comes to me.” John 6:45
• “Sound doctrine is found in the gospel that was entrusted to me to announce the Good News from the glorious and blessed God.” 1 Tim. 1: 10-11
It is not youthful zeal to ascribe primary authority in teaching for Jesus rather than for human teachers, pastors, leaders, etc. that are not thoroughly in tune themselves with God’s instructions. Only Jesus can teach with authority! (Matt. 24-29).
In any case, we will not wait long to see which of our “two houses” are built to withstand life’s testing and troubles.
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April 4th 2009, 11:19 AM #24
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Only Jesus can teach with authority! (Matt. 24-29).
Peter, Paul, John, James, etc. didn't seem to have a problem with teaching "with authority" either. If you don't recognize Jesus' delegated authorities (your pastor, teachers, boss, parents - if you live with them, etc.) in your life, you are walking in rebellion.
Trying using the whole of Scripture to form your doctrine.Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and God will take care of the other stuff.
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April 4th 2009, 12:03 PM #25
Re: John 6: 62-64
You seem to think that it's very helpful for you to describe the death of Christ as "diacritical" when talking to people. I don't think it's helpful at all. I think it's quite confusing. It doesn't make the gospel void if I don't use your idiosyncratic terminology to discuss the work of Christ. Christians have been talking about the gospel for two millenia, and no one calls it "diacritical" but you. There are plenty of perfectly good words already in wide usage to discuss the topics you're covering. The giving of the Holy Spirit results in our "indwelling" by the Spirit. The revelation of Jesus' character is just that: "revelation." Spiritual rebirth is called "regeneration." There's no need to make up new phrases familiar to no one but yourself. Do you find that most people you talk with are aided by your new term, as opposed to the old ones?
Last edited by RBerman; April 4th 2009 at 12:18 PM.
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April 5th 2009, 09:48 AM #26
Re: John 6: 62-64
"Diacritical" is, indeed, an idiosyncratic terminology very useful to remind us of the self-revelation of the immortal Christ right at his self-produced death on the cross --a Biblical truth rarely, if at all, heard in contemporary Christian circles!
Although regrettable, your offense by the catchy word will never stop me from using it.
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April 5th 2009, 10:25 AM #27
Re: John 6: 62-64
If Peter's request to make three tents: one for Jesus, a second for Moses and a third for Elijah was turned down outright with the unmistakable answer: "This is my own dear Son, with whom I am pleased --listen to him" (Matt. 16: 4-5), one can settle for pastors, teachers, boss, parents, etc, only through suppression of the given firsthand and personal knowledge of Jesus Christ! This is not a secret to one of three scores and ten years around.
No, thank you!
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April 5th 2009, 10:49 AM #28
Re: John 6: 62-64
Good luck on your on!
Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and God will take care of the other stuff.
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April 5th 2009, 12:51 PM #29
Re: John 6: 62-64
1) Diacritical if used while witnessing or trying to get a point across will be a word of confusion and not clarification, thus it will be a liability and not an asset (by the way, i think it is a cool word)
2) Authority is everywhere. Best to recognize and be synergistic with it. If a cop pulls you over for speeding, rest assured you are in his authority. Examples could go on for a long time.
On a personal note: Until reading this tread and posting I thought I had a problem with church authority but now realize that I have a problem with trust and not the authority.
Thanks for the thread.
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April 5th 2009, 02:21 PM #30
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