Chaotic Void's Pick For Saturday, March 28 ~ Andius provides an excellent example of modern Client-Patron Relationships!

[Chaotic Void]

Some of our TWeb members from other nations may know of some analogues, but they'd likely to have to explain them to you. There are some countries where forms of patronage still exist (I believe in Japan, for example) but you'd have to carefully comb through the variations to get to the common core.

To answer your part. Many people in Latinamerica (Mostly from the rural regions) still speak in terms of having a patron. Whenever someone here tells you about his patrono, he is mostly refferring in terms that connote boss, employer and benefactor. In terms of relationship though, it still does have the employer/employee relationship, no one gets to know each other intimately (At least not normally). But given the Latin background, it's colonial model was more akin to a Feudal model, where large pieces of land were owned and administered by a few numbers of people, so naturally, the majority sought the patronage of these land owners in order to survive

Regrettebly, the patrons were incredibly abusive, usually giving them meager wages, harsh rules, all in all, they weren't fullfilling their end of the bargain. Because of this background, the word "patrono" also conveys a very negative meaning here (Which in my case, makes it even twice as harder to explain the patron-client relationship between man and God to your average latino, cuz they think patrono, they will inmeadiately think exploiter).

Another example that is very akin to patron-client relationship of this involves what in English you call sponsorship. In latinamerica, whenever a company or entity decides to support another smaller entity for mutual benefit (Companies supporting sports teams, and event, etc.), we call in "patrocinió", where win win situations are created.

The closest one to ancient patron-client relationship lies in the employship of maids in here. We accept the services of girl or woman to clean the house, cook the meals, and clean our clothes, and the patrons in turn provide an agreed upon wage, meals, sometimes household (We allow them to sleep in our house), and at times, special benefits such as putting their son or daughters at school. Some patrons are pretty bad and abusive, but some (such as my family) strive to be kind to our maids. I for one have had one for 2 years, and we have practically formed a great relationship of trust, and know her personally. But most maids we have had, we don't really get to know personally, but mutual trust and loyalty is key. The letter to Philemon has high application in the context I live in.

So yah, this are examples that are akin to the ancient Patron-Client relationship that still persist in my side of the Western World.

This is an excellent example. I'll be referring to this whenever someone asks me for an example of a Client-Patron relationship.

Kudos to you, Andius!

[Manwë Súlimo]

Muy bien mi amigo.

[TheAnalogman]

Well done!

[Andius]

Whoah, I did not see this one coming . Coming home, and I suddenly find this lovely honor, didn't expect a simple informative post to be worthy of honor.

Thank you Twebbers, you really gave this latino a wonderfull close for the evening.

[Manwë Súlimo]

Whoah, I did not see this one coming . Coming home, and I suddenly find this lovely honor, didn't expect a simple informative post to be worthy of honor.

Thank you Twebbers, you really gave this latino a wonderfull close for the evening.

No problem.

Now you owe me 65% of those pearls, per our contractual agreement. Aren't I a gracious patron?

[Andius]

No problem.

Now you owe me 65% of those pearls, per our contractual agreement. Aren't I a gracious patron?

When life gives you lemons, you find another patron.

[Manwë Súlimo]

Those lemons are taxed too.

[Andius]

Those lemons are taxed too.

Curses!

[Jnthn]

Excellent choice CV, and thanks for the insight, Andius!

J