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My Friend, the Missionary to the Muslims - and the "Visions"

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  • #31
    Siam, the Quran command the "People of the Book" to do certain things, the most important is to judge Islam by the revelation given to usNo one feels safe from Allah's deception except those that shall perish.

    2. Raping captives of war, beating of wives, etc. References given in prior posts.

    3. The idea that Jesus didn't die on the cross, that Alexander the great(Dul Qarnain), was a Muslim, Abraham building the Kaaba etc.

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    • #32
      https://en.qantara.de/content/interv...-is-an-age-old

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      • #33
        Surah 5, verse 47, and the verses previous to and subsequent to this verse give some context. These verses are talking about the "law" (ethico-moral principles) and explains that communities have been given their own laws as a test (tolerance, compassion, mercy, justice) and we must compete with each other to be the best with what we have been given and in matters of (ethical/moral) differences, God will be the eventual Judge. The Quran argues for what is called Legal Pluralism (...and since religion/Deen is a "way of life"---of Pluralistic systems that give choice rather than mono-culture or single legal systems imposed forcibly on everyone.)

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        • #34
          I'm going to insist we get back on topic - it's about the visions/dreams.

          Thanks
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            I'm going to insist we get back on topic - it's about the visions/dreams.

            Thanks
            Last edited by Cerebrum123; 11-11-2016, 08:12 AM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
              It just gives him free reign to post nonsense.

              Thanks, Brum.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #37
                I am probably not the best person to talk about dreams...apparently I am a Lucid Dreamer---someone who can control dreams.
                http://www.huffingtonpost.com/van-wi...b_7663492.html
                In my case, all dreams except nightmares are lucid dreams. It has always been this way. This makes it difficult for me to see dreams as somehow magical...

                The Bible and the Quran share some stories...among them is the story of Prophet Abraham who had a dream---but one that God did not want obeyed?....
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_of_Isaac

                some Jewish views :-
                The majority of Jewish religious commentators argue that God was testing Abraham to see if he would actually kill his own son, as a test of his loyalty. However, a number of Jewish Biblical commentators from the medieval era, and many in the modern era, read the text in another way.[citation needed]

                The early rabbinic midrash Genesis Rabbah imagines God as saying "I never considered telling Abraham to slaughter Isaac (using the Hebrew root letters for "slaughter", not "sacrifice")".[this quote needs a citation] Rabbi Yona Ibn Janach (Spain, 11th century) wrote that God demanded only a symbolic sacrifice.[citation needed] Rabbi Yosef Ibn Caspi (Spain, early 14th century) wrote that Abraham's "imagination" led him astray, making him believe that he had been commanded to sacrifice his son.[citation needed] Ibn Caspi writes "How could God command such a revolting thing?"[this quote needs a citation] However, according to Joseph Hertz, Chief Rabbi of the British Empire, child sacrifice was actually "rife among the Semitic peoples" and suggests that "in that age, it was astounding that Abraham's God should have interposed to prevent the sacrifice, not that He should have asked for it."[this quote needs a citation] Hertz interprets the Akedah as demonstrating to the Jews that human sacrifice is abhorrent

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by siam View Post
                  I am probably not the best person to talk about dreams..
                  Wow, what a taqiyya-ish way to skirt the OP's request.

                  I'll be a little more clear --- this thread is for the discussion of modern day dreams being had by Christians (or Muslims) concerning conversion.

                  Is that clear enough, Siam?
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    Wow, what a taqiyya-ish way to skirt the OP's request.

                    I'll be a little more clear --- this thread is for the discussion of modern day dreams being had by Christians (or Muslims) concerning conversion.

                    Is that clear enough, Siam?
                    Given his responses to my posts did you really expect any better?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
                      Given his responses to my posts did you really expect any better?
                      In which posts did he actually respond to anything you said?
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        In which posts did he actually respond to anything you said?
                        Exactly my point.

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