Obama tells illegal aliens to vote?

[JimL]

Well, except for Obama encouraging illegal aliens to vote.

I appreciate your attempt to back up your assertion with facts. The "seminal study" is from 10 years ago. The next link down talks about people prosecuted for voter fraud. As I keep on clicking links, they continue to focus on prosecutions for voter fraud. The poll I studied alone yields more admissions of illegally registering to vote than the sum total of accusations of voter fraud documented in the links. An unbiased person would conclude that there's little downside to voting illegally, since one is exceedingly unlikely to be prosecuted for it. It's not like poll workers are likely to know that Mr. X is fraudulently registered to vote, and there's about a zero percent chance that a poll worker is going to check to see if a voter is registered somewhere else as well. Your proffered "studies" are pretty much as rogue06 describes - eyes wide shut.

Now maybe you can understand why I sometimes don't bother to link to a source, you could find it for yourself if you were really interested in facts, but as anyone can see here, you are not. The verdict is in, voter fraud is, and always has been, a republican ruse, a successful voter suppression tactic used by an unprincipled party that knows they can't win honestly.

[rogue06]

Its been in the courts many times in many places and the charges have always been found to be unjustified. Its a republican ruse to suppress the democratic vote every time. Trumps claims of 3 miilion illegal voters is ridiculous without an inkling of proof, and study after study has shown there to be no significant voter fraud taking place. So your side, if they actually have any proof of any voter fraud, has to either put up or shut up.

And yet "journalists" seem to be afraid to do their job and actually investigate it and put the nail in the coffin. If what you say is true it should be a slam dunk and yet they continue to hesitate.

[Starlight]

Now maybe you can understand why I sometimes don't bother to link to a source, you could find it for yourself if you were really interested in facts, but as anyone can see here, you are not. The verdict is in, voter fraud is, and always has been, a republican ruse, a successful voter suppression tactic used by an unprincipled party that knows they can't win honestly.

Republicans got one 10 days ago. A green-card holder in Texas voted! Dun, dun, dun.

She probably swayed at least 10 elections with her illegal vote.

So they're giving her 8 years in prison followed by deportation. And the funny thing is, she voted Republican. (They always seem to be Republican. See also: Des Moines Woman Says She Voted Twice For Trump Because "The Polls Are Rigged")

Jim, what you have to bear in mind is that there's probably at least ten total occurrences of voter fraud nationwide per election. Just imagine what a huge percentage that is and how easily it could sway the election!

[Starlight]

And yet "journalists" seem to be afraid to do their job and actually investigate it and put the nail in the coffin. If what you say is true it should be a slam dunk and yet they continue to hesitate.

Um, dude, journalists for the umpteenth time did do their research and contacted election officials across dozens of states after the 2016 election and none of them reported any serious levels of possible voter fraud. The same thing happens every election - the journalists want to know if they can run some sort of interesting story on voting abnormalities so they reach out to officials across the country who respond time and again with the fact that there's no significant levels or fraud or anything else interesting happening. It's a "slam dunk" in the sense that it gets boring after a couple of decades of zero cases of mass voter fraud.

What is it going to take to shut idiots like you up and put the matter to bed for good? There's no amount of evidence you conspiracy nutters will ever accept that your fantasies of mass voter fraud simply have zero basis in reality.

[EvoUK]

And yet "journalists" seem to be afraid to do their job and actually investigate it and put the nail in the coffin. If what you say is true it should be a slam dunk and yet they continue to hesitate.

So someone makes a claim of massive voter fraud with no evidence, and it's the MSMs job to look for proof of no fraud happening?

Why not simply point to evidence of it occurring? If it's happening at the levels you suggest, it shouldn't be difficult to do so.

[One Bad Pig]

So someone makes a claim of massive voter fraud with no evidence, and it's the MSMs job to look for proof of no fraud happening?

Why not simply point to evidence of it occurring? If it's happening at the levels you suggest, it shouldn't be difficult to do so.

I'm not so sure it would be that easy to know. I don't recall that registering to vote required proof of citizenship. As long as someone is registered, it's not as if election officials are going to know the registeree is an actual citizen. It would take a lot of effort to dig up the actual data.

On another note, there was a massive amount of voter fraud in Detroit during the past election - and that was only discovered because they wanted to do a recount. It would be naive, I think, to assume that this was an isolated occurrance.

[One Bad Pig]

Now maybe you can understand why I sometimes don't bother to link to a source, you could find it for yourself if you were really interested in facts, but as anyone can see here, you are not. The verdict is in, voter fraud is, and always has been, a republican ruse, a successful voter suppression tactic used by an unprincipled party that knows they can't win honestly.

Detroit was a Republican ruse? Go on, tell me another one.

[Sparko]

Now maybe you can understand why I sometimes don't bother to link to a source, you could find it for yourself if you were really interested in facts, but as anyone can see here, you are not. The verdict is in, voter fraud is, and always has been, a republican ruse, a successful voter suppression tactic used by an unprincipled party that knows they can't win honestly.

until Trump won then it became a liberal cause.

[JimL]

Detroit was a Republican ruse? Go on, tell me another one.

Detrioit wasn't voter fraud.

[Mountain Man]

The problem is that Democrats have spent decades rigging the system to make voter fraud virtually impossible to detect and even harder to prove. It's one of the reasons they're dead-set against things like requiring proof of citizenship and IDs to vote.

[JimL]

The problem is that Democrats have spent decades rigging the system to make voter fraud virtually impossible to detect and even harder to prove. It's one of the reasons they're dead-set against things like requiring proof of citizenship and IDs to vote.

Maybe if you loosen the tin foil hat just a little bit MM, it might help.

[Sparko]

Maybe if you loosen the tin foil hat just a little bit MM, it might help.

WI PA MI, JimL. Who was the most concerned about vote tampering this election? Hmmm?

[rogue06]

Funny how the media won't question and even repeat claims by liberals that millions of people are disenfranchised and kept from voting but immediately dispute claims by conservatives that millions of people are illegally voting.

[Starlight]

Funny how the media won't question and even repeat claims by liberals that millions of people are disenfranchised and kept from voting but immediately dispute claims by conservatives that millions of people are illegally voting.

Yeah, it's almost as if the media have done their own fact checking and know that one is true and the other is bogus. Amazing, huh?

[lilpixieofterror]

Yeah, it's almost as if the media have done their own fact checking and know that one is true and the other is bogus. Amazing, huh?

Yes they did and here's the method that the media used:

If the statement comes from anyone with a D after their name it's absolute truth, but if it comes from anyone with a R after their name it's a lie.