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    Marijuana Legalization

    There is a proposition on the ballot in favor of legalizing marijuana in California. What are the best arguments in favor of and against the legalization of marijuana?

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    Against? The usual fear mongering, but that is blunted by the half dozen states with recreational weed and the way medical marijuana has been abused for casual use since its inception. The only good arguments are going to be ones dealing with specific parts of the individual bill like "does this provide enough revenue" or whatever. I don't know California's law so I can't comment on anything like that. Also, plenty of decent arguments are impossible to make because of the existence and easy access Americans have to Tobacco, Alcohol and Prescription Medications.

    For? Pretty easy. Negative side effects from the illegal drugs come primarily in 2 forms. First, the side effects of the substances themselves and, Second, from the competition between groups wishing to profit from it. Legalization blunts the latter by removing their ability to make a profit and for the former Marijuana's active effects are not substantively different from that of alcohol --better in many ways-- and the side effects are mild to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaecp View Post
    Also, plenty of decent arguments are impossible to make because of the existence and easy access Americans have to Tobacco, Alcohol and Prescription Medications.
    This. The better route seems to be legalization followed by altering public perception (cigarettes, anyone?).
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    A comparison of countries around the world seems to show that legalizing, taxing and regulating all drugs is the best policy. Such a policy would help the US move towards properly addressing the opioid epidemic, and stabilize Latin American countries by ending the drug war and dissolving the power of the drug lords there.

    Prohibition on alcohol was historical one of the great policy failures in the Western world and empowered mob bosses who controlled large smuggling operations, and eventually it was found that legalizing alcohol was simply the better option. We see the same results today from applying the policies of the Prohibition era to drugs, and would likely see a similar improvement through legalization.
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    Legalize it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaecp View Post
    Against? The usual fear mongering, but that is blunted by the half dozen states with recreational weed and the way medical marijuana has been abused for casual use since its inception. The only good arguments are going to be ones dealing with specific parts of the individual bill like "does this provide enough revenue" or whatever. I don't know California's law so I can't comment on anything like that. Also, plenty of decent arguments are impossible to make because of the existence and easy access Americans have to Tobacco, Alcohol and Prescription Medications.

    For? Pretty easy. Negative side effects from the illegal drugs come primarily in 2 forms. First, the side effects of the substances themselves and, Second, from the competition between groups wishing to profit from it. Legalization blunts the latter by removing their ability to make a profit and for the former Marijuana's active effects are not substantively different from that of alcohol --better in many ways-- and the side effects are mild to say the least.
    You could argue that you are taking money out of drug dealer's pockets by legalizing pot. which means they will have to either sell harsher drugs, or do something else (probably criminal) to get money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaecp View Post
    Against? The usual fear mongering, but that is blunted by the half dozen states with recreational weed and the way medical marijuana has been abused for casual use since its inception. The only good arguments are going to be ones dealing with specific parts of the individual bill like "does this provide enough revenue" or whatever. I don't know California's law so I can't comment on anything like that. Also, plenty of decent arguments are impossible to make because of the existence and easy access Americans have to Tobacco, Alcohol and Prescription Medications.

    For? Pretty easy. Negative side effects from the illegal drugs come primarily in 2 forms. First, the side effects of the substances themselves and, Second, from the competition between groups wishing to profit from it. Legalization blunts the latter by removing their ability to make a profit and for the former Marijuana's active effects are not substantively different from that of alcohol --better in many ways-- and the side effects are mild to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    You could argue that you are taking money out of drug dealer's pockets by legalizing pot. which means they will have to either sell harsher drugs, or do something else (probably criminal) to get money.
    For most folks who sell pot it isn't their primary source of income but more of a subsidy, often done to pay for their own drugs.

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    We should legalization reefer, make opioids a medical issue, let any doctor prescribe them to addicts and shoot crack dealers on sight. There, all done.
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