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    Help me! I'm beginning to abandon the Trinity.

    Help me! Maybe you can. I'm changing from being a Trinitarian to Unitarian.

    After some 30 years of searching through study and prayer, I'm coming to the conclusion that (1) the God of the Bible is not three persons in one being, but rather one person one being and (2) Jesus is not Almighty God, but a sinless human being miraculously, virginally conceived of Mary. I'm still unsure about the Spirit.

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    I think pinning your mental well being on comprehending the nature of God is ridiculous.
    Even if you were to pick one or the other you wouldn't be any closer to 'getting it'.

    Look to Christ for your understanding of God and leave the rest to people who like to tire themselves with running in circles.
    Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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    What have you studied?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RGJesus View Post
    Help me! Maybe you can. I'm changing from being a Trinitarian to Unitarian.

    After some 30 years of searching through study and prayer, I'm coming to the conclusion that (1) the God of the Bible is not three persons in one being, but rather one person one being and (2) Jesus is not Almighty God, but a sinless human being miraculously, virginally conceived of Mary. I'm still unsure about the Spirit.
    http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaimshub.html

    And specifically:

    http://www.tektonics.org/uz/unitresp.php


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    Quote Originally Posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
    I think pinning your mental well being on comprehending the nature of God is ridiculous.
    Even if you were to pick one or the other you wouldn't be any closer to 'getting it'.

    Look to Christ for your understanding of God and leave the rest to people who like to tire themselves with running in circles.
    What do you mean "look to Christ"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    What have you studied?
    I went to an evangelical seminary (to be unnamed) and finished a Master's Degree in Christian Apologetics. There I studied theology, philosophy, and basic biblical languages, to name a few.

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    Thank you for the resources. I've read lots of articles from tektonics and from other sources. Tektonics produces lots good scholarly stuff on a variety of topics. But I remain unconvinced by the arguments presented for the Trinitarian view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGJesus View Post
    I went to an evangelical seminary (to be unnamed) and finished a Master's Degree in Christian Apologetics. There I studied theology, philosophy, and basic biblical languages, to name a few.
    Ok. What have you looked at in regards to the topic at hand? Have you read the Church Fathers who argued for the deity of Christ (Athanasius) and the Holy Spirit (Basil, Ambrose)? More recently, have you read, e.g., Larry Hurtado's Why on Earth Did Jesus Become a God?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RGJesus View Post
    Thank you for the resources. I've read lots of articles from tektonics and from other sources. Tektonics produces lots good scholarly stuff on a variety of topics. But I remain unconvinced by the arguments presented for the Trinitarian view.
    What do you think the arguments for the Trinity are?


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    Quote Originally Posted by RGJesus View Post
    What do you mean "look to Christ"?
    Christ shows us the nature of the Father independent of what you may believe about the Trinity.
    That is all the instruction we need to live well - getting this one doctrine correct isn't a huge deal.

    Christ is God for Dummies.

    So it is okay to take the ole' Trinitarian doctrine out for a spin but don't get hung up on it.
    Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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