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    Quote Originally Posted by RGJesus View Post
    I'd like to hear how you'd argue for the Trinity, Bill the Cat.
    Not really my forte. I deal with Mormons mainly. Nick is far better and WAAAAAYYYY more well-read on the Trinity


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Not really my forte. I deal with Mormons mainly. Nick is far better and WAAAAAYYYY more well-read on the Trinity
    I know about Nick Peters (son-in-law of Mike Licona). He's a very good apologist.

    Don't you believe in the Trinity? If so, I'd like to hear how you personally would argue for the Trinity. Give it your best shot, unless you're afraid that I might plant doubts in your head. If so, that should motivate you to make sure what you believe corresponds with truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Does your spirit die when your flesh does?
    Let's just say my spirit doesn't die when my flesh does. When Jesus died, was his flesh that died? If so, then it is the man Jesus that died, not the God-man Jesus. Or maybe it is the flesh of (the God-man) Jesus that died. Are you not seeing the logical problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RGJesus View Post
    Let's just say my spirit doesn't die when my flesh does. When Jesus died, was his flesh that died? If so, then it is the man Jesus that died, not the God-man Jesus. Are you not seeing the logical problem?
    Separating the identity of even Jesus' flesh from a divine spirit dwelling in it is apollinarianism. God and man are distinct natures that cannot be confused or divided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewriteranon View Post
    Separating the identity of even Jesus' flesh from a divine spirit dwelling in it is apollinarianism. God and man are distinct natures that cannot be confused or divided.
    Then, thewriteranon, you've just branded Bill the Cat as guilty of apollinarianism, I think.

    How would you answer? When Jesus died, was it the man Jesus, was it the God Jesus, or was it the God-man Jesus that died?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGJesus View Post
    Then, thewriteranon, you've just branded Bill the Cat as guilty of apollinarianism, I think.

    How would you answer? When Jesus died, was it the man Jesus, was it the God Jesus, or was it the God-man Jesus that died?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewriteranon View Post
    Yes.
    Yes to all questions? Your answer is different from Bill the Cat and other Trinitarians. Please explain how the God Jesus die?
    Last edited by RGJesus; 11-10-2016 at 05:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGJesus View Post
    Yes to each question?
    The two natures cannot be confused or divided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewriteranon View Post
    The two natures cannot be confused or divided.
    Please explain how the God-man Jesus died. Let's start with this: before Jesus resurrected, when his dead corpse was laying in the tomb, was it conscious or unconscious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGJesus View Post
    Please explain how the God-man Jesus died. Let's start with this: before Jesus resurrected, when his dead corpse was laying in the tomb, was it conscious or unconscious?
    I'm not going to play question and answer games as I don't like the cut of your jib here. You're going to need to go back to the church fathers because you clearly are approaching the whole question in a modernist mindset that is recent and deeply flawed. Athanasius, first and foremost. The Cappadocian fathers. And please throw in some pseudo-Dionysius to introduce you to the concept of theological mystery.

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