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May 19th 2009, 01:35 PM #1
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Male - Christian1 Corinthians 7 12-14
Alright, here's a good one for y'all:
The focus when this comes up is usually marrying an unbeliever, but I'd like to focus on the sanctification part. The obvious implication is that the unbelieving spouse is automatically saved by virtue of the believing spouse's faith, which brings up the question of whether someone can be saved through somebody else's faith. Thoughts?To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy."Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
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May 19th 2009, 01:36 PM #2
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Male - ChristianRe: 1 Corinthians 7 12-14
Sanctified doesn't imply receiving eternal life.
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May 19th 2009, 01:42 PM #3
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Male - ChristianRe: 1 Corinthians 7 12-14
Not true.
Originally posted by themuzicman
Acts 20:32 "Now I commit you to God and to the word of his grace, which can build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified."
And really, every other reference of "sanctified" that I run into refers to either saved believers or Jesus himself. It even ties into the concept of saints (those who are saved)."Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.
And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace
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May 19th 2009, 01:51 PM #4
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Darth is right. I cannot find an instance of someone referred to as sanctified that it does not imply they are already in right relationship with God. The word literally means to make holy and sacred. This implies a mystery in the marriage indeed. Originally posted by themuzicman
But what can cold reason do in this matter? It may present us with fair ideas; it can draw a fine picture of love: But this is only a painted fire. And farther than this reason cannot go. I made the trial for many years. I collected the finest hymns, prayers, and meditations which I could find in any language; and I said, sung, or read them over and over, with all possible seriousness and attention. But still I was like the bones in Ezekiel's vision: "The skin covered them above; but there was no breath in them." - John Wesley
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May 19th 2009, 01:56 PM #5
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My first instinct was to agree with Muz...but upon further review,
sanctified means to make pure, set apart for God's use, to make Holy.
In addition, consider what Job did, He prayed and sacrificed for his children possible sins, also consider what Paul said to the Jailer in Acts 16:31 - They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household."
Interesting premise.
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May 19th 2009, 01:58 PM #6
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Male - ChristianRe: 1 Corinthians 7 12-14
"Sanctified," like "holy," means "set apart." Thus the "holy place" was a special area of the tabernacle or temple. Similarly, the husband of a believing wife is "set apart." He has a special experience due to his exposure to a believing wife. Their children are holy as well. It's not a statement about the salvation of the husband or the children.
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May 19th 2009, 01:58 PM #7
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I think I saw Pestilence riding past my window. Originally posted by fiddlin-john
"Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.
And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace
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May 19th 2009, 02:01 PM #8
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The context of Acts 20:32 is different from the context of 1 Corinthians 7. Clearly Paul is referring to those who are saved in Acts, whereas in 1 Corinthians 7, Paul is clearly referring to those who are unbelievers.
It means two different things in different contexts. Look at Paul's explanation: it isn't that the spouse is saved, but that the children are not unclean.
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May 19th 2009, 02:04 PM #9
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That's really dumbing down the definition. It doesn't just mean "set apart". If it did Satan could be described as holy and sanctified which renders both words completely meaningless. Originally posted by RBerman
"Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.
And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace
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May 19th 2009, 02:07 PM #10
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One thing else to throw into the mix, notice that Paul seems to be giving a "disclaimer" at the start of this by saying I not God say this. Just more food for thought.
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May 19th 2009, 02:07 PM #11
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Meaningless? It still means "set apart".
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May 19th 2009, 02:07 PM #12
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This is just begging the question. The implication of 1 Cor 7 is that the spouse IS one of those who are saved. The ones who will be joining the sanctified are the ones Paul refers to in acts, but the ones who are already sanctified refers to those who are already dead. Originally posted by themuzicman
Except Paul isn't saying that "it isn't that the spouse is saved", that's your addition. It's just saying that if the spouse wasn't sanctified, the children would be unclean. It says nothing about the spouse not being saved.Look at Paul's explanation: it isn't that the spouse is saved, but that the children are not unclean.
Michael"Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.
And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace
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Good grief y'all, he's speaking figuratively. Spouses and children are likely to get saved as a result of the believer. You don't have to take everything in the Bible literally.
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Meaningless in the sense that holy is no longer a positive adjective and renders a good chunk of scripture meaningless. If you can call Satan holy, why call God holy as if it's a good thing? It's just words on paper. Originally posted by themuzicman
Meaningless? It still means "set apart".
"Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.
And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace
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What implication? Paul doesn't speak of the salvation of anyone here. He's speaking about marriage and those married to those who are unbelievers. There is nothing in this context to suggest that Paul is speaking about anyone's salvation. Originally posted by Darth Executor
Exactly. You've made my point. Thanks for coming over to my side.Except Paul isn't saying that "it isn't that the spouse is saved", that's your addition. It's just saying that if the spouse wasn't sanctified, the children would be unclean. It says nothing about the spouse not being saved.
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