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May 23rd 2009, 09:18 AM #1
The Holy Spirit = Person? / Force? ~ 5 Portraits
Please compare & comment onthefollowing WT quote, conclusion, & basis for their conclusion:
"...in a large number of cases the expression 'holy spirit' appears in the original Greek without the article, thus indicating its LACK of PERSONALITY." (Insight p.1019 / Aid p.1543)
‘Pneuma’ (Greek for 'spirit') is used of: humans, angels, demons (fallen angels / unholy spirits), holy spirit, The Holy Spirit, God, Satan, etc. (e.g. flesh vs spirit).
Key / Powerful / Pivotal Portraits of Pneuma
- hidden to English readers but vital for understanding
- 5 Portraits of Holy pneuma
- 5 Portraits of Unholy pneuma (singular & plural)
- the 2 sets of 5 portraits involve the (neuter) Greek definite article ‘the’
- "the" may be absent (P#1 / P#2)
- "the" may be present (P#3 / P#4 / P#5).
In the original text, these distinctions are on the surface in plain sight ("the" is there, or not).
In most translations, these 5-Portrait distinctions are partially hidden (i.e. ignored or altered).
{{Another part of Scripture hidden to English readers is the 22-letter, Hebrew-alphabet structure of Ps.119.
Each line of verses 1 to 8 begins with Aleph; 9 to 16 with Beth; 17 to 24 with Gimel; etc.}}
Portrait Comparisons
- equal, grammatically identical, parallel sets for direct comparison & obvious conclusion
Portrait #1 ~ no def. art. / no adj ~ translation: spirit ~ or ~ (demon) spirit(s)
Portrait #2 ~ no art. / one adj ~ translation: holy spirit ~ or ~ unholy spirit(s)
Portrait #3 ~ one art. / no adj ~ translation: The Spirit ~ or ~ the spirit(s)
Portrait #4 ~ one art. / one adj ~ translation: The Holy Spirit ~ or ~ the unholy spirit(s)
Portrait #5 ~ two art. / one adj ~ translation: The Spirit The Holy ~ or ~ the spirit(s) the unholy
P#1 = NO definite article / no adjective ~ (focus is on simple fact of Existence)
1a ~ Spirit ~ (Jn.3:5,6; 4:23,24; Rom.8:4,5; Rev.1:10; 4:2; 17:3)
1b ~ (demon) spirit ~ (Lk.9:39; 13:11; 2Cor.11:4; 2Th.2:2)
1c ~ (demon) spirits ~ (Mt.12:45; Lk.11:26; 1Cor.12:10; Rev.16:13,14)
P#2 = NO art. / one adj ~ (focus is on Being’s Character or Nature – good or evil)
2a ~ Holy Spirit ~ (Lk.11:13; Ac.1:2; 4:25; Rom.14:17; 15:13,16,19)
2b ~ unholy spirit ~ (Mk.1:23; 3:30; 5:2; 7:25; 9:17; Lk.4:33; Ac.16:16; Rev.18:2)
2c ~ unholy spirits ~ (Mt.10:1; Lk.6:18; 7:21; 8:2; Acts 5:16; 8:7)
P#3 = ONE art. / no adj ~ (focus is on Activity of the Being)
3a ~ THE Spirit ~ (Mt.4:1; Ac.2:4; 5:9; 8:29; 16:7; Rom.8:16,26,27; Heb.10:29; 1Jn.5:6)
3b ~ THE (demon) spirit ~ (Mk.9:20; Ac.16:18; Eph.2:2 Satan!; 1Jn.4:3)
3c ~ THE (demon) spirits ~ (Mt.8:16; Lk.10:20; 1Jn.4:1)
P#4 = ONE art. / one adj ~ (focus is on Being)
4a ~ THE Holy Spirit ~ (Mt.28:19; Lk.12:10,12; Ac.9:31; 13:4; 16:6; 2Cor.13:14)
4b ~ THE unholy spirit ~ (Mt.12:43; Mk.9:25; Lk.11:24)
4c ~ THE unholy spirits ~ (Lk.4:36)
P#5 = TWO art. / one adj ~ (focus is on Essence of the Being)
5a ~ THE Spirit THE Holy ~ (Mt.12:32; Mk.3:29; Ac.1:16; 5:3,32; 7:51; 13:2; 15:28; 20:23,28; 21:11; 28:25; Eph.4:30; Heb.3:7; 9:8; 10:15)
5b ~ THE spirit THE unholy ~ (Mk.1:26; 5:8; Lk.8:29; 9:42; Ac.19:15,16)
5c ~ THE spirits THE unholy ~ (Mk.1:27; 3:11; 5:13; 6:7; Ac.19:12,13)
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December 3rd 2010, 11:38 AM #2
Re: The Holy Spirit = Person? / Force? ~ 5 Portraits
How can an impersonal " force " say anything ? Even if it was a vision in their mind, impersonal " forces " do not communicate information.
If we agree that the Father and the Son are personal, why would we assume that the " Advocate, " or " Counselor " that God sends to empower His Church is impersonal ? Why would God send something impersonal to replace a personal presence ?
Chairs, cars, rocks, etc are impersonal and do not " convict, " " teach, " or " send. " Only something with personality does those things.
If the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force, then way does the bible always refer to that force as " He " or " Him " and show Him doing personal things ?
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December 20th 2010, 02:57 AM #3
Re: The Holy Spirit = Person? / Force? ~ 5 Portraits
Without going to far into it, I would point out that is your English translation that says 'he' or 'him'. pnuema hagion is a neuter word if translated acccording to Greek gender it should generally be translated "it".
Don't read too much into greek gender though.
Best Regards,
EAT
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