Tekton was funny/ Thanks for the laugh!

[1970s]

IF HE WAS JUSTIFIEED BY WORKS...

Hi 1970s,



Read the Tekton article on Semitic Totality Concept. Abraham is justified by faith, but he revealed his faith through his works, so I guess you could say that in God's eyes, he was justified by faith, and in men's eyes, he was justified by works.

Once again you have to add...what you can say... compared to what it says.... it does not say in God's eyes, he was justified by faith, and in men's eyes, he was justified by works.

Abraham was justified by faith. Heb.11:8.
Abraham was justified by works. Jms.2:21.
Abraham was not justified by works. Rom.4:2.

James does not say in mens eyes and Romans 4 does not say except in mens eyes.

[95th]

ive never tried pumpkin pie, how does it taste?

[Kabane52]

All you pumpkin heretics are being ridiculous. Boston Creme Pie is clearly superior.

[ApologiaPhoenix]

ive never tried pumpkin pie, how does it taste?

The way the machines of the Matrix intended silly.

[1970s]

GE 17:8 God promises Abraham the land of Canaan as an "everlasting possession."
GE 25:8, AC 7:2-5, HE 11:13 Abraham died with the promise unfulfilled.

[1970s]

EZEKIEL'S FAILURES
"Possibly the most pessimistic of the Old Testament prophets, Ezekiel proclaimed impending doom upon everyone from Judah itself to the enemy nations surrounding it. The failure of his prophecies to materialize as he predicted makes a compelling argument against the Bible inerrancy doctrine. In one of his doom's-day prophecies, Egypt was to experience forty years of utter desolation:

Therefore, thus says Yahweh God: "Surely I will bring a sword upon you and cut off from you man and beast. And the land of Egypt shall become desolate and waste; then they will know that I am Yahweh, because he said, `The River is mine, and I have made it.' Indeed, therefore, I am against you and against your rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from Migdol to Syene, as far as the border of Ethiopia. Neither foot of man shall pass through it nor foot of beast pass through it, and it shall be uninhabited forty years. I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate; and among the cities that are laid waste, her cities shall be desolate forty years; and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations and disperse them through the countries" (29:8-14).
Talk about extravagant rhetoric, we certainly have it in this passage. No such desolation has ever happened to Egypt; there never has been a time in recorded history when Egypt was not inhabited by man or beast for forty years, when its cities were laid waste and desolate, when its people were all dispersed to foreign lands, etc. Bible defenders, of course, resort quickly to figurative and future applications, but their strategy just won't work. Future fulfillments are excluded by patently clear references that Ezekiel made to contemporary characters who were to figure in the fulfillment: "Son of man, set your face against Pharaoh king of Egypt, and prophesy against him" (29:2). Although Egypt still survives as a nation, its rule by pharaohs ended long ago. Furthermore, Ezekiel identified Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, as the instrument Yahweh would use to bring about Egypt's desolation: "Therefore thus says Yahweh God: `Surely I will give the land of Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon; he shall take away her wealth, carry off her spoil, and remove her pillage, and that will be the wages for his army'" (29:19). Clearly, then, Ezekiel had in mind a contemporary fulfillment of this prediction. As for spiritual or figurative explanations of the prophecy, just what events in Egyptian history were so catastrophic in the days of Nebuchadnezzar and the pharaohs that they could justifiably be considered a figurative desolation of forty years? Unless bibliolaters can identify such a catastrophe, their figurative interpretations must be regarded as just more attempts to sweep aside another embarrassing prophecy failure.
Ezekiel just as rashly predicted the utter destruction of Tyre, a prediction whose failure has become even more embarrassing to bibliolaters than his doom's-day prophecy against Egypt: "
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode.../prophecy.html

[ApologiaPhoenix]

Please. The topic of the thread now is pie. Do try to stay on topic.

[1970s]

The topic is inerrancy!

"Jerusalem never to be entered again by the uncircumcised and unclean:"Awake, awake; put on your strength, O Zion; put on your beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city; for from now on there shall no more come into you the uncircumcised and the unclean" (Is. 52:1, ASV). This verse is only the beginning of an entire chapter that promised a permanent, perpetual deliverance of Jerusalem and its people from foreign domination. To say that this prophecy was ever fulfilled would require a blatant disregard of known historical facts. Various armies from nations that did not practice the rite of circumcision have since occupied Jerusalem, and even today tourists and visitors from various cultures that reject the rite of circumcision have free access to Jerusalem. The "uncircumcised" pass in and out of the city each day.

Bible fundamentalists try to circumvent these problems by speaking of "spiritual" and "figurative" or even "future" fulfillments of this and similar prophecies like the one predicting the permanent security of Jerusalem. This is a common ploy. When historical facts contradict the prognostications of their cherished prophets, bibliolaters turn to spiritual, figurative, or yet future applications. Their equivocations, however, cannot survive the scrutiny of contextual criticism. Examined in context, this and the permanent-security prophecy of Isaiah, as well as many of his others, seemed obviously intended to comfort a people weary of foreign oppression. At least in the case of Isaiah 52:1, the expression from now on plainly denotes that this was so. The expression means "from this time forth," so why would the prophet have said, "from now on (this time forth) there shall no more come into you the uncircumcised and the unclean," if he were speaking of something that would not occur until some time in the distant future? Thereafter would have been the appropriate word to use. "

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode.../prophecy.html

[Kabane52]

Hey 1970s, what's your favorite type of pie?

[Knowing Thomas]

1970s is probably more of a quiche lover.

Would explain the poor exegesis.

[ApologiaPhoenix]

Should we include pizza pies?

[Kabane52]

Should we include pizza pies?

Oh, yes definitely.

[ApologiaPhoenix]

Then pepperoni is the best by far.

[Chaotic Void]

Then pepperoni is the best by far.

Throw in some hot peppers, some spicy italian sausage and feta cheese and I'll gleefully dig in. As long as there's some hot sauce spread on top of it and some Diet Soda to wash it down.

[ApologiaPhoenix]

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