Is Jehovah God's name?

[apostoli]

FYI,

If you analyze Phil. 2:9 carefully, you will realize that it was Jesus whom God exalted and given a name because of his humility and obedience to the point of death (Phil. 2:8).

Yep! And vs6-7 says he was in the morphe of God before he became man. Then he emptied himself and took on the morphe of a servant, then was born in the likeness of men!

Also, you should notice that the text does not say he was given a new name, rather his existing name was exalted "Therefore God also has [b]highly exalted Him[b] and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow"

Phil. 2:10 says, "at the name OF Jesus" - NOT "at the name Jesus." Note the presence of the word "of" before Jesus which indicates that this refers to the name that God GAVE Jesus.

Actually the Greek doesn't have "of" in it. It reads "the name Jesus"

ἵνα ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ πᾶν γόνυ κάμψῃ ἐπουρανίων καὶ ἐπιγείων καὶ καταχθονίων

onomati=the name used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds etc.

The very fact that "of" occurs in the English renderings emphasises that it is the person who carries the name Jesus, and not the name itself that is being referenced.

I just did another word study on Phil 2:9-10...
http://biblelexicon.org/philippians/2-9.htm

The Greek reads...

διὸ καὶ ὁ θεὸς αὐτὸν ὑπερύψωσεν καὶ ἐχαρίσατο αὐτῷ τὸ ὄνομα τὸ ὑπὲρ πᾶν ὄνομα ἵνα ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ πᾶν γόνυ κάμψῃ ἐπουρανίων καὶ ἐπιγείων καὶ καταχθονίων

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ὑπερύψωσεν

Literally: raise to supreme majesty; exalted beyond measure.

Phil 2:9 is the only occurance in scripture! Compare the Hebrew "ruwm" rendered exalted at Ps 46:10. (LXX ὑψωθήσομαι=to elevate. cp. Lk 18:14)


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ἐχαρίσατο

Literally: to grant as a favor. At Rom 8:32 & 1 Cor 2:12 it is understood to mean "to freely give".

The KJV renders this word as forgive 10, given 4, freely give 2, deliver 2, grant 1, frankly forgive 1.

The NASB, ESV, RSV render "bestowed" at Phil 2:9. The majority of translations render "gave". KJV,NKJV,WEB,Lamsa render "given". DBY "granted"

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ὄνομα


It should be noted that A.Paul uses the word onoma not onomazō. Imu, onomazō is to be given a name, be named, be identified, profess a name (eg: Lk 6:14). Whereas onoma is the name one possesses (eg: Mt 6:9; 7:22).

Compare Eph 1:21 "Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name [onoma] that is named [onomazō], not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: " The NIV renders "and every title that can be given"


Also, see 2 Tim 2:19 ""Let everyone who names [onomazō] the name [onoma] of Christ [or the Lord] depart from iniquity."
Footnote: NU-Text and M-Text read the Lord."

Literally "the naming the name". The NIV renders "“Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord".

Textus Receptus: Ἀποστήτω ἀπὸ ἀδικίας πᾶς ὁ ὀνομάζων τὸ ὄνομα Χριστοῦ
GNT: ἀποστήτω ἀπὸ ἀδικίας πᾶς ὁ ὀνομάζων τὸ ὄνομα κυρίου


Also note A.Paul doesn't use the word epikaleō which means to be named after someone (eg: a surname).

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In respect of Phil 2:10-11 the TEV has a pointer to the LXX Isaiah 45:23 "My promise is true, and it will not be changed. I solemnly promise by all that I am: Everyone will come and kneel before me and vow to be loyal to me." and Rom 14:11 "For the scripture says: “As surely as I am the living God, says the Lord, everyone will kneel before me, and everyone will confess that I am God.”

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Of course Revelation tells us that the "The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God" has a new name...

Rev 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And [I will write on him] My new name.

But as with others this name is not known to anyone but the bearer...

Rev 2:17 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives [it]." '

Rev 19:11-16 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Peace

[Vivian]

Hi Viv,

I concur! Thanks for the expansion. Consider Isaiah 44:28-45:2

"Thus saith the Lord...that hath said of Cyrus: 'He is My shepherd, and shall perform all My pleasure, even saying of Jerusalem, 'She shall be built', and to the Temple, 'Thy foundation shall be laid'."

"Thus saith the Lord to His Anointed [Hebrew: mashiyach=Messiah] to Cyrus [the Persian Ruler and conquerer of Israel] whose right hand I have holden to subdue nations before him....'I will go before thee and make the crooked places straight...'"

Peace

ps: Thanks for the other post. When push comes to shove any important difference between our approaches is probably the Mars vs Venus proposition ;-)

I do acknowledge the contemplative side, but tend to hold it as private, simply to avoid myself being perceived as being in theological error. Hence, in theology I express myself theologically.

pss: You might be interested in the following paper on the ancient traditions of Messiah and its etymology.
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/ref...h/messiah.html

Peace

Thanks, apostoli!

There is a lot of information in that link that is found elsewhere, the ideas presented in differing ways.

And truly we cannot ever express fully the contemplative side of our own spiritual beliefs and practices, for often it is without ideas or solid thoughts. I do find though that there is purpose in the more academic theological discussions and presentations, for such becomes gateways for a true knowing of God and his ways.

And I have found that a fruitful gateway is one that is alive, changing, adjusting, filled with moments of 'now' - for it is the present, the now, that we can know God - instead of one that is rigid and hard perhaps stuck in the past or future, being un-malleable to the ever-changing and adjusting flow of spirit.

Peace to you as well.

Viv

[apostoli]

Thanks, apostoli!

There is a lot of information in that link that is found elsewhere, the ideas presented in differing ways.

And truly we cannot ever express fully the contemplative side of our own spiritual beliefs and practices, for often it is without ideas or solid thoughts. I do find though that there is purpose in the more academic theological discussions and presentations, for such becomes gateways for a true knowing of God and his ways.

And I have found that a fruitful gateway is one that is alive, changing, adjusting, filled with moments of 'now' - for it is the present, the now, that we can know God - instead of one that is rigid and hard perhaps stuck in the past or future, being un-malleable to the ever-changing and adjusting flow of spirit.

Peace to you as well.

Thankyou Viv, I suspect that now you hear me!