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[TheLurch]

But he wasn't Pope. I am.

Given how much i enjoy your piratical santa, i'll support you as thoroughly as i supported my friend who declared himself pope.

[Sparko]

Given how much i enjoy your piratical santa, i'll support you as thoroughly as i supported my friend who declared himself pope.

we can be co-Popes. I am not greedy. He can have the bottom half of the world and I will take the top.

[JonathanL]

I am not Catholic, but I wholeheartedly support Sparko's ambition of becoming Pope.

[Leonhard]

[hansgeorg]

I was baptized into the Catholic church as an infant in Germany.

Have you remained a Roman Catholic since then?

[hansgeorg]

True, but they generally have a bit more support than their parents and three friends getting together and declaring them pope.

Quite.

By now he has more support. Otherwise he could not have been ordained priest and consecrated bishop in Gaudete weekend of 2011.

He also had more support by the time I came to know him. One ex-adherent of his was one of my motives for not adhering to him then, but I liked his way of reasoning about the adherence, apart from the fact I was then supporting Palmar de Troya.

I am not sure if Mascarenhas' page Orthopapism can still be viewed anywhere, but it was good.

[Sparko]

Have you remained a Roman Catholic since then?

I am the Pope! What kind of question is that?

[One Bad Pig]

By now he has more support. Otherwise he could not have been ordained priest and consecrated bishop in Gaudete weekend of 2011.

That makes no sense. The Pope IS a bishop.

[rogue06]

By now he has more support. Otherwise he could not have been ordained priest and consecrated bishop in Gaudete weekend of 2011.

Are you saying that while it only took him, his parents and three friends to consecrate him as Pope it takes a whole lot more to make him a bishop (which the Pope already is by definition)?

[Sparko]

Are you saying that while it only took him, his parents and three friends to consecrate him as Pope it takes a whole lot more to make him a bishop (which the Pope already is by definition)?

He probably meant "Poop" - his friends elected him "Poop"

[HMS_Beagle]

He probably meant "Poop" - his friends elected him "Poop"

(Insert joke about pirate ships having poop decks here)

[hansgeorg]

Are you saying that while it only took him, his parents and three friends to consecrate him as Pope it takes a whole lot more to make him a bishop (which the Pope already is by definition)?

No, I am saying the Pope is by definition at least bishop elect of Rome, but not always consecrated.

Some Popes have been elected before they were consecrated bishops.

A certain St Ambrose was for a few hours or at least minutes, bishop elect of Milan without being as yet even baptised.

You are confusing the ontological aspect of being a bishop having received episcopacy in its sacramental aspect by a "laying on of hands" (as Sts Paul and Barnabas received before going out on a mission journey) with the juridic aspect of being a bishop of such and such a see, in this case of Rome (but not in Rome).

Yes, since all six persons in the conclave were laymen, none of them was a bishop and none of them could consecrate Pope Michael to episcopal dignity. He could pronounce judgement from 1990, but could not ordain priests or confirm until 2011.

And that means it took some more than those six to give him that capacity.

[hansgeorg]

it only took him, his parents and three friends to consecrate him as Pope

You are missing that elect and consecrate are two different actions.

[hansgeorg]

That makes no sense. The Pope IS a bishop.

Or bishop elect.

I think even your community, while schismatic, accepts that St Ambrose was a saint, and as is well known, he was not just elected "bishop of Milan" before being "a bishop", but even before being a baptised Christian.

[hansgeorg]

I am the Pope! What kind of question is that?

That is a bit how Bergoglio has reacted to the four cardinals and their dubia.