What sort of Demon am I dealing with?

[John Goddard]

Elijah comes to mind. Killing of the 500 false prophets - shortening their lives mercifully so that they would not be further consumed by darkness. Yes, this is indeed the starting point, the starting point of walking in true discipleship. Until we come to this point, where we trust Christ to help us with our inner life, we are still devoid of faith, no matter what theology we claim. Shalom. Viv

Yeah sometimes I talk from my brain. But other times I talk with the power of Elijah.

But the question is, who would be able to kill hopelessly-demon possessed people today.

[John Goddard]

John, This authority has been given to 'the body of Christ.' ( there is certainly more than enough Scripture in the New Testament to substantiate that. Matthew 16:18-19 comes to mind )

Thanks, I can see you might understand some things I said.

[Vivian]

Yeah sometimes I talk from my brain. But other times I talk with the power of Elijah.

But the question is, who would be able to kill hopelessly-demon possessed people today.

The only sharing on this I have received face to face from a righteous one is that this why we have capital punishment - for cases such as these, where the evil perpetrated indicates that either the soul is either consumed by demonic influences (hence no salvic work can be done in this life) or it is a spawn of demonic influences and there is no human soul present.

[John Goddard]

The only sharing on this I have received face to face from a righteous one is that this why we have capital punishment - for cases such as these, where the evil perpetrated indicates that either the soul is either consumed by demonic influences (hence no salvic work can be done in this life) or it is a spawn of demonic influences and there is no human soul present.

How do you know Gentiles who do capital punishment aren't demon-possessed themselves?

I mean in the USA the goddess Justice is a Roman goddess so don't you think a false god acts the same as a demon?

And therefore, that all the US Judges might be possessed by that demon?

Why don't we move beyond speculation and put the money where the mouth is, so to speak.

[headheart]

If I might offer to all reading this, try it sometime. When a negative thought enters your mind, ignore it, and see how often it will just dissipate into nothingness as though it never existed. If though we grasp at the thought, feeding it with our fears and passions, allowing it to escalate into even more thoughts, we might just suddenly find ourselves consumed with negativity - anger, fear, envy, depression.

Hi Viv.,
There are negative thoughts that are our own, and these we can express happily in the presense of our loving Father.
However, what you are speaking about is negative thoughts that originate seperate to our mind. These can be either a result of a physical disease (medically treatment is wisest, coupled with prayer for healing)...one will discover as Dr. Kurt Koch did, that people who are sick like that do not manifest when you pray for them.
If they are the other sort, 'enemy' voices, then it could either be nearby (outside) or inside, if they are inside then one has an intruder! These can go out with prayer and fasting, or just from attending a fellowship where Jesus is preached, ... and one can receive the protection and prayers of brothers and sisters. Like I said to John, the authority has been given to 'the body of Christ' Amen to that! We sort our our problems because Jesus has equipped his body with these 'priestly ministries' (just like you said in your first post.)

This is how demons influence us. And any of us having negative thoughts are not safe from demons, no matter what our theology tells us!

Viv, I do not agree with you on this point.
Having negative thoughts are part of life, but when we have extra negative thoughts, from another source than our own mind, ones that we cannot pray to our Father, then we might have a demon problem...or it might just be what I discussed...a physical disorder, that needs a different type of help (ie. Medicine and Prayer)

Just look at what is going on inside of you - if you were truly all Christ's, there would be nothing but Christ's righteousness in your thought and desire life.

Oh, how I wish this was entirely true. We are not perfect yet and so we are going to have struggles with this until the day we see Christ. Perfection is certainly a wonderful goal, and we get there through struggling and trial and temptations and if we manage to walk in complete victory, watch out I am going to be there to make sure you don't get to comfortable with your big bubble of spiritual pride. POP!!!!!

Sleep tight.
HH.





Shalom.

Viv

[headheart]

Yeah sometimes I talk from my brain. But other times I talk with the power of Elijah.

Elijah ? Do I detect a sense of humour ? Anyone remember William Marion Brahnam ?

But the question is, who would be able to kill hopelessly-demon possessed people today

This idea needs to be split down the middle!

1. Organized evil energized by Satan, which results in harm to others is certainly covered by the Hit Squad. (but then like John says, what if...well....then we always have the God squad, remember Sodom and Gomorrah)
2. A Christian who has opened up Pandora's box, and will not close it, will eventually be subject to what I explained in earlier posts.

Seeing as you two are going at chats nicely, I am going to bow out.

Shalom John, Shalom Viv.
May the Lord guide your thoughts.

HH.

"i am sleeeeepy...."
John I think it is the effect of your spinning avatar...horrible...I preferred your chicken !

[John Goddard]

Elijah ? Do I detect a sense of humour ? Anyone remember William Marion Brahnam ?

No. I slay a lot of false prophets all the time. They just don't admit it.

And when my pride gets out of the way, it doesn't matter.

[Vivian]

How do you know Gentiles who do capital punishment aren't demon-possessed themselves?

I mean in the USA the goddess Justice is a Roman goddess so don't you think a false god acts the same as a demon?

And therefore, that all the US Judges might be possessed by that demon?

Why don't we move beyond speculation and put the money where the mouth is, so to speak.

Hi John -

I have faith in God, in his work in and through humanity. And so know that while things remain imperfect, they are weighted on his side, for his victory.

Also, I do not consider most to be all evil or all good but a mixture, so even Roman goddesses reflect something of God! Meaning that God can work to fulfill the prayers and desires of the righteous even through Roman goddesses, even through the 'gentiles' who run our justice system!

I have faith in God and hope in his righteous ones, that their prayers and desires will sustain this earth. Now things may not unfold as I want or expect, but I know that because of the righteous among us, all things will work for good.

Also, all except for the most righteous are influenced by demons. You, me, everyone posting on Tweb. We all have negative energies - thoughts and actions - working through us. The righteous though have worked to overcome so that the demonic influence in them and through them is minimal.

Again, my faith is in God, and my hope is in the workings of Christ in this world through the prayers and desires of the righteous among us, culminating in the salvation of the world.


Shalom.

Viv

[John Goddard]

Meaning that God can work to fulfill the prayers and desires of the righteous even through Roman goddesses, even through the 'gentiles' who run our justice system!

Do you think it's better to say Roman goddesses like Justice and Liberty are false idols compared to Jesus as King of the USA, when Jesus is here?

Simple yes or no question.

[Vivian]

Hi Viv.,
There are negative thoughts that are our own, and these we can express happily in the presense of our loving Father.

Hi HH!

In the outer heavens, such as these worlds, yes. God has restrained himself to allow sin and negativity to exist, allowing us space within our negativity to reach out for him and find that he is right there with us.

As David said, Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, though art with me.

But this is not all that God has planned for us. He desires for us to be able to ascend to the Heavenly Places, where the fullness of the Godhead resides, where God does not restrain himself, and negativity cannot exist. And so until we overcome, we will not be made pillars of his temple (Revelation 3:12).

However, what you are speaking about is negative thoughts that originate seperate to our mind. These can be either a result of a physical disease (medically treatment is wisest, coupled with prayer for healing)...one will discover as Dr. Kurt Koch did, that people who are sick like that do not manifest when you pray for them.

I consider all illness to be of the body, mind and spirit - interrelated in some way even if we cannot see it - and when we heal one we heal the others. Just as Jesus practiced in his ministry.

If they are the other sort, 'enemy' voices, then it could either be nearby (outside) or inside, if they are inside then one has an intruder! These can go out with prayer and fasting, or just from attending a fellowship where Jesus is preached, ... and one can receive the protection and prayers of brothers and sisters. Like I said to John, the authority has been given to 'the body of Christ' Amen to that! We sort our our problems because Jesus has equipped his body with these 'priestly ministries' (just like you said in your first post.)

There are different sorts and types of demonic presences, all requiring different actions on our part. I am unable to simplify the ones I have known into a few categories.

I have found though, that most presences will depart when one intones the Hebraic Name of Jesus - Yeshua Messiah. A few though have required something else, and that something else has had to be shown to me while in prayer and fasting, and is not something that can be put in human words.

Viv, I do not agree with you on this point.
Having negative thoughts are part of life, but when we have extra negative thoughts, from another source than our own mind, ones that we cannot pray to our Father, then we might have a demon problem...or it might just be what I discussed...a physical disorder, that needs a different type of help (ie. Medicine and Prayer)

Yes, they are part of life, but they are not part of Life, and we are told we have to lose our life and all its selfishness and negativity to find Life. You may not agree with me, and all I can do is pray some day you find the other side of negative thinking, experience such freedom, then you will see that it is indeed possible while in physical form. This though is not salvation. This is preparation for the higher work of Spirit leading to salvation.

Oh, how I wish this was entirely true. We are not perfect yet and so we are going to have struggles with this until the day we see Christ. Perfection is certainly a wonderful goal, and we get there through struggling and trial and temptations and if we manage to walk in complete victory, watch out I am going to be there to make sure you don't get to comfortable with your big bubble of spiritual pride. POP!!!!!

Ha! I do not like sharing about myself, but do when it feels necessary to reveal the experiences from which I speak. I would not share this, I could not share these things, if I had not first walked through them. Just as Paul was only able to share with us the Christ he knew and obeyed.

Sleep tight.
HH.

You too friend. And may you be blessed in your dreams....


Viv

[Vivian]

Do you think it's better to say Roman goddesses like Justice and Liberty are false idols compared to Jesus as King of the USA, when Jesus is here?

Simple yes or no question.

No.

(I hope and pray this this answer is explained in my previous posts!)

[John Goddard]

No. (I hope and pray this this answer is explained in my previous posts!)

No you are saying you can believe in whatever you want besides Jesus, including Roman goddesses. I think you should clarify.

Else I will just think you are like 99.999999999% of blind American Christians who haven't noticed what I just said.

[Vivian]

viv is a neognostic. "flesh is bad. spirit is good"

This is false testimony.

[Vivian]

No you are saying you can believe in whatever you want besides Jesus, including Roman goddesses. I think you should clarify.

Else I will just think you are like 99.999999999% of blind American Christians who haven't noticed what I just said.

Hi John -

Two things - Roman goddesses and American Justice do not make themselves false idols. False idols are something personal, something we do, we make something a false idol personally. If anyone 'worships' American Justice - holding it up as the highest, trusting it, relying on it, they have made it an idol, for themselves.

Thus Roman goddesses and American Justice can be a false idol for one person and not for another.

And, Christ is greater than anything we can make into a personal false idol. That is the issue. He is greater than anything of this world, which also means he can use anything of this world for his purposes, even Roman goddesses and American Justice.

Those who know Christ and trust Christ develop the wisdom necessary to discern when something of this world is being used by him, and when it is being used by the Antichrist Spirit, when Christ's righteousness is manifesting through something or someone of this world. And recognizing Christ's righteousness manifesting through the things of this world, even though this is unknown to the things themselves, is not making them a false idol.

And so I believe Christ is here already, all the time, using any and all means to accomplish the father's work - even Roman goddesses and American Justice!

It is he I trust. He being greater than anything of this world, hence able to use all things of this world.

And we can trust, we can have faith, that Christ is working in this world even before we are able to discern his presence.

And PS - I do not think that flesh is bad or evil in and of itself! I consider such thoughts to be blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Suicide or hatred and destruction of one's physical self being the greatest blaspheme.

Shalom.

Viv

[Adrift]

This is false testimony.

It would be more accurate to say that you lean towards mysticism or, some would say, New Ageism. No? More or less, admittedly outside of the mainstream.