What sort of Demon am I dealing with?

[Sparko]

Every time I witness a Floridian sunset, or hear a piece of beautiful music, I shout "Get thee behind me, Satan" and return to my sensory-deprivation-spiritual-intensification chamber. So much evil in the world ...

I eat Jello shots and smoke a cigar. or is it the other way around? ...and it came to pass.

[Gatsby]

Just a few comments on the last dozen or so posts.

When the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us, this was Jesus who symbolized the character of God in Human form.

Jesus was able to perform miracles through God after the Holy Spirit had been given him after being baptized by John. The same Holy Spirit given today to those who love God and want to follow Jesus. Mark 16 v 16-20 show the signs of those empowered by the Holy Spirit.

This Holy Spirit is not given to all but those who seek to be like Jesus which requires death of one self in the waters of baptism and the emergence of the re-born life in Christ. Miracles are given to those believers that chose to walk in faith first.

The sign of Jonas was parallel to the death and resurrection of Christ after 3 days and the redemption of mankind from sin and death through the giving of the Holy Spirit to those that follow Christ. The same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead and gave him power and guidance while living on earth.

Fred.

Fred, with respect you are totally wrong to say that only those who love God and want to follow Jesus are empowered by the Holy Spirit. We all have within us this Holy Spirit but the churche's have usurped the teachings of Jesus and held Him up as the example to follow. Most certainly he is the example to follow but he is not the only person who ever lived who has the Spirit of the Holy Spirit within Himself, we all have. The reason why the preachers in the churches have been led down the road of only one man, one human being who was exemplary in behaviour and loving in nature to talk about is because this way they have kept power over the masses and it is still happening today.

Love Is God, that is the nature of God and He is no respecter of persons, he loves all His Creation and we are, all of us children of the One God.

Regards
Gatsby

[Gatsby]

Hmmm dont you think you are being rather childish, I do! There is much beauty in the world and you are right to enjoy it. No one said that the senses were bad, they are not. They are needed for us to precieve the physical world. However, you do have corresponding spiritual senses which you will use when you leave this earth. Or do you think people have no senses like the physical ones for if that were the case when you pass over you wouldn't be able to see a thing, feel anything or touch anything. Food you dont need on the other side but in the early days of passing some on the lower astral plane can still enjoy the things that they enjoyed here. That also may come as a surprise to you.

Regars
Gatsby

[FredFlanders]

Hello Gatsby,
John 1 clearly shows that Jesus was the Word that was made flesh.

Yes baptism in water is symbolic. Baptism was never for infants but for those who could believe by their own accord. Baptism in the Holy Spirit was a separate event.

The Holy Spirit does not live within us all. The Bible is quite clear on who has the Holy Spirit. Mark 16 v 16-20. Yes God is not a respecter of persons and anyone can recieve the Holy Spirit if we want to do God's will.

Most Christian followers have been deluded by lies through religious teaching thinking they have the Holy Spirit and in fact they don't. The Bible is quite clear the Holy Spirit is given so we can do the same works as Christ.

Fred.

[Gatsby]

[QUOTE=FredFlanders;3232687]Hello Gatsby,
John 1 clearly shows that Jesus was the Word that was made flesh.

Yes baptism in water is symbolic. Baptism was never for infants but for those who could believe by their own accord. Baptism in the Holy Spirit was a separate event.

The Holy Spirit does not live within us all. The Bible is quite clear on who has the Holy Spirit. Mark 16 v 16-20. Yes God is not a respecter of persons and anyone can recieve the Holy Spirit if we want to do God's will.

Most Christian followers have been deluded by lies through religious teaching thinking they have the Holy Spirit and in fact they don't. The Bible is quite clear the Holy Spirit is given so we can do the same works as Christ.

Fred, I understand you really believe this and I agree that the orthodox teachers have greatly miseld their flock for generation after generation so that they no longer know the Truth.

If the Bible makes clear that Jesus is the only one who has the Holy Spirit within him then you too have been told a untruth.

Fred, we all have the Holy Spirit within us because if we hadn't we wouldn't be alive, anywhere. The Father has Life and the father gives Life to all His children regardless who they are or what they are and religion does not come into that equasion. It is madness to say that God will only give Life to those of one particualr faith when God Itself has no faith or preferences,. We are all the Brotherhood and Sisterhood of Mankind.

Now doing God's will as far as Christians are aware, is trying to be a good person, honest and fair and kind. They love their familys just like we all do but until you can love everyone without exception then you do not know God in full. To do God's will you have to 'die' to the mortal world. I dont mean depart from the earth here Iam meaning while on earth, one needs to detatch from all things of the earth and move our own sense of self, the I that we speak about when we refer to ourselves, we must get that out the way and then the Father's consciousness takes over and God's will is then down through us. This is the Christ consciousness which is within every single person on earth, not just those who profess some religious faith. Until you come to this realisation you are a imitator, following like sheep what has been taught by the orthodox churches since they became institutions and kept most of the teachings away from their flock because they did not want to lose their power over their people. This has been going on for centuries, it is now time for this to stop. All things at this time are being held up to the Light and all institutions will fall throughout the world for a new world is being formed and it will be a new heaven and earth as the Bible foretold.
Iam not btw meaning you personally are a imitator btw, Iam meaning in general this is the majority who make up the orthodox churches and the sects like the Jehova's Witness's and Mormons and these type of sects. They,very much have a strangelhold on their followers, dictating to them what they can and can do what they can and cant eat and soforth.

Regards
Gatsby

[FredFlanders]

Gatsby,

In the OT the Spirit of God dwelt within a man made temple. In the NT the Spirit of God was able to dwell in man permanently, to allow man to do the same works as Jesus. In the OT God taught from the man made temple but in the NT God teaches to our heart from the Holy Spirit given to those that truly want to follow and obey Christ.

G. you are mixing the Spirit that made life itself with the Holy Spirit. They are not the same. Not all that lives has the Holy Spirit. This was only given to those after the resurrection of Jesus to those that wanted to follow and be like Jesus.

I know you are sincere with what you say and have a dim view of religion. I also do not like the way religion has also polluted the Word of God but the Holy Spirit that Jesus sent after His resurrection is an event of which I received 30 years ago. Religion did not give this to me but was a tangible event that happened to me when another believer laid there hands on me and prayed with me. These signs accompanied me after the Holy Spirit had come upon me. Mark 16 v 15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well" 19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. 20 Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.

Fred.

[Gatsby]

I eat Jello shots and smoke a cigar. or is it the other way around? ...and it came to pass.

Re: What sort of Demon am I dealing with?

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Hmmm dont you think you are being rather childish, I do! There is much beauty in the world and you are right to enjoy it. No one said that the senses were bad, they are not. They are needed for us to precieve the physical world. However, you do have corresponding spiritual senses which you will use when you leave this earth. Or do you think people have no senses like the physical ones for if that were the case when you pass over you wouldn't be able to see a thing, feel anything or touch anything. Food you dont need on the other side but in the early days of passing some on the lower astral plane can still enjoy the things that they enjoyed here. That also may come as a surprise to you.

Regars
Gatsby
this post was meant for you.

[Gatsby]

Every time I witness a Floridian sunset, or hear a piece of beautiful music, I shout "Get thee behind me, Satan" and return to my sensory-deprivation-spiritual-intensification chamber. So much evil in the world ...

This reply was meant for you. Somehow it didn't go on the right place.

Hmmm dont you think you are being rather childish, I do! There is much beauty in the world and you are right to enjoy it. No one said that the senses were bad, they are not. They are needed for us to precieve the physical world. However, you do have corresponding spiritual senses which you will use when you leave this earth. Or do you think people have no senses like the physical ones for if that were the case when you pass over you wouldn't be able to see a thing, feel anything or touch anything. Food you dont need on the other side but in the early days of passing some on the lower astral plane can still enjoy the things that they enjoyed here. That also may come as a surprise to you.

Regards
Gatsby

[Sparko]

Re: What sort of Demon am I dealing with?

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Hmmm dont you think you are being rather childish, I do! There is much beauty in the world and you are right to enjoy it. No one said that the senses were bad, they are not. They are needed for us to precieve the physical world. However, you do have corresponding spiritual senses which you will use when you leave this earth. Or do you think people have no senses like the physical ones for if that were the case when you pass over you wouldn't be able to see a thing, feel anything or touch anything. Food you dont need on the other side but in the early days of passing some on the lower astral plane can still enjoy the things that they enjoyed here. That also may come as a surprise to you.

Regars
Gatsby
this post was meant for you.

Look Gatsby, you seem like a nice fellow and I have nothing personal against you. But you are so far out in left field with your spiritual gobbledygook that I have no desire to even respond to your posts any more. They make no sense. If you are a God, prove it. If you can't then just go away and don't bother responding to my posts, because I am done responding to yours.

[Gatsby]

[QUOTE=FredFlanders;3233586]Gatsby,

In the OT the Spirit of God dwelt within a man made temple. In the NT the Spirit of God was able to dwell in man permanently, to allow man to do the same works as Jesus. In the OT God taught from the man made temple but in the NT God teaches to our heart from the Holy Spirit given to those that truly want to follow and obey Christ.

Fred, you are ovbiously unaware that all is God. The Holy Spirit is God, the Christ is God in fact there is nothing but God. We are all God's temple made without hands!

Are you trying to tell me that God dwelt in a man made temple for some while and then by magic was able to dwell in man permanently? This does not make sense.

We are the Creators Creation and were designed to be the temples of God, made without hands, so that God could express His Nature and Will through us as His Temples.



G. you are mixing the Spirit that made life itself with the Holy Spirit. They are not the same. Not all that lives has the Holy Spirit. This was only given to those after the resurrection of Jesus to those that wanted to follow and be like Jesus.


Sorry Fred, Ihaven't mixed up the Holy Spirit with the Spirit that made Life Itself. Anyway, the Spirit did not Make Life Itself, it IS Life Itself. Hence the Holy Spirit and the Creator as the same thing, just different terms are used that's all. The Holy Spirit was not given to those after the resurrection of Jesus tho those who wanted to be like Jesus and follow him alone. The Holy Spirit was always there in the first place. However those who followed Jesus would have indeed been made known that the Holy Spirit, what is termed the Christ Consciousness or Comforter, was within them as others are finding out nowadays. The fact is that this Holy Spirit is in everyone only the majority of people do not know that. It has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit only choosing to be within those who followed Jesus. Can you see how this Bible has divided people? When there is actually no division between ,mankind, the church has taught division in it's teachings and hence is far away from God. Any religion which cause seperatness or division is not teaching Truth. In Reality we are all One and One with God.


I know you are sincere with what you say and have a dim view of religion. I also do not like the way religion has also polluted the Word of God but the Holy Spirit that Jesus sent after His resurrection is an event of which I received 30 years ago. Religion did not give this to me but was a tangible event that happened to me when another believer laid there hands on me and prayed with me. These signs accompanied me after the Holy Spirit had come upon me. Mark 16 v 15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well" 19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. 20 Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.

And the pity is Fred that you are sincere in your belief too. But a belief is only a belief and is not Truth. Beliefs come and go while the Truth is forever unchanged.

Well at least you have the sense to know that religion has polluted the Word of God and Iam pleased that a greater event that happened in your Life which was not given to you by religion has had a effect on you. I can understand that and from what you say Iam presuming that as there was a laying on of hands you were in need of some physical or mental healing. You may like to know that laying on of hands healing is something I have done successfully in the past. I myself take no credit for that because I know it is God within me that does the work of healing and not me personally. This is as it should be.

I would certainly be interested in hearing of the event you mean.

You will note from your excerpt from mark 16 v 15 that the disciples are sent out into the world to preach the teachings of Jesus given to him through the active Christ Consiouness within him taking over the mind of Jesus to teach. Jesus did what I mentioned in a post a few back, that was to get the small self out the way or die to the small self which then allows the Christ to take over. Anyway, back to the excerpt from Mark. All these things mentioned eg pick up snakes, drink poison etc would have no effect on them because these things are but the effects that are manifested through the thoughts of others. In other words they are illusionary and not Real, and when you know that, and have expereinced the Real and realise the world effects are just that and they have no power over you then you and me and many others will be able to do these exact same things. Because the effects of the world are produced in the inner world from our thoughts and manifest as effects in this realm of Life. However if you do not know the Real, God in other ways and God's Universal laws, nor know how things are created and the laws pertaining to them, you would then have a reaction to these effects believing them to be real. They only become real to us when we give our power away to them, then we are caught in the net of illusion.

Regards
Gatsby

[Gatsby]

Sparko, Iam female, at least, I was when I got up this morning, LOL. It is ok Sparko, Iam not bothered whether you respond or not. It is obvious you dont know what Iam talking about but then that is to be expected really because you have obviously swallowe what the orthodox churches have taught. One day Sparko, the light will shine on you and you will know what Iam talking about, but I dont expect that anytime soon.

Regards
Gatsby

[Sparko]

Sparko, Iam female, at least, I was when I got up this morning, LOL. It is ok Sparko, Iam not bothered whether you respond or not. It is obvious you dont know what Iam talking about but then that is to be expected really because you have obviously swallowe what the orthodox churches have taught. One day Sparko, the light will shine on you and you will know what Iam talking about, but I dont expect that anytime soon.

Regards
Gatsby

sorry bout your gender. I was going by your user name.

You sound an awful lot like vivian, another of our members. Have you met her?

[Gatsby]

It's ok Sparko, dont worry about that. I suppose Gatsby could be a male name, I really never thought of it like that.

I would think I did sound quite a bit like Vivian, I have met her on this board and I have admired some of her posts, but I haven't met her personally if that is what you mean.

Anyway, best wishes for the future.

Gatsby

[FredFlanders]

Gatsby,

I have never agreed with Sparko about anything but I do agree with him here.

Yes your name does sound like a man and you do sound like Vivian (not that this matters).

But what is important is your use of quotations from the Bible. They are taken way out of context with the story being told. You need to read the scriptures before and after the words you are quoting. Then when God has shown you the revelation and you KNOW it is correct then you can answer Sparko’s false religious ideas.

I do believe you have had a spiritual experience with God but you need to line them up with scripture correctly or you do God and your self a disservice.

Yes God spoke to man in the OT in the Temple (made by hands) when the High Priest went behind the central curtain of the Temple. After the death of Christ a miracle occurred where the Temple curtain was rent signifying the end of the Old Testament and start of the New Testament when God’s Spirit could dwell in man. God only sent the Holy Spirit to those that truly wanted to worship Him in Spirit and Truth.

This experience happened to me some 28 years ago when hands were laid upon me and were prayed for. I was filled with the Holy Spirit and Spoke in Tongues as Jesus said would happen. I also received faith to operate the other gifts in Mark 16.

Yes Jesus spoke in parables and the picking up of snakes and the drinking of poison was a parable which relates to the authority a Believer has over Satan and the discernment to know the Truth from Satan’s deceit.

Fred.

[Gatsby]

Gatsby,

I have never agreed with Sparko about anything but I do agree with him here.

Yes your name does sound like a man and you do sound like Vivian (not that this matters).

But what is important is your use of quotations from the Bible. They are taken way out of context with the story being told. You need to read the scriptures before and after the words you are quoting. Then when God has shown you the revelation and you KNOW it is correct then you can answer Sparko’s false religious ideas.

I do believe you have had a spiritual experience with God but you need to line them up with scripture correctly or you do God and your self a disservice.

Yes God spoke to man in the OT in the Temple (made by hands) when the High Priest went behind the central curtain of the Temple. After the death of Christ a miracle occurred where the Temple curtain was rent signifying the end of the Old Testament and start of the New Testament when God’s Spirit could dwell in man. God only sent the Holy Spirit to those that truly wanted to worship Him in Spirit and Truth.

This experience happened to me some 28 years ago when hands were laid upon me and were prayed for. I was filled with the Holy Spirit and Spoke in Tongues as Jesus said would happen. I also received faith to operate the other gifts in Mark 16.

Yes Jesus spoke in parables and the picking up of snakes and the drinking of poison was a parable which relates to the authority a Believer has over Satan and the discernment to know the Truth from Satan’s deceit.

Fred.

Fred, Iam fascinated to hear that you 'spoke in tongues'. What exactly do you mean by that because I really dont know so Iam interested to find out what it actually means.

Yes, obviously I have had spiritual experiences also but I do not need to line them up with the Bible scriptures. I mean why would I want to do that when the Bible is now full of falsehoods and is far far away from the Truth. I even looked up your quote from Mark 16 and saw there was a postcript saying that some of the verses were not incluede. Well if you want to put your faith in a scripture that is shaky on the Truth at best and has been changed and reinterpeted many times then is it any wonder that those attending churches are falling away. That is the case over here anyway.

To say and believe that the Holy Spirit is poured out on just a few is plain wrong. However if you were to say that the Christ Consciousness has revealed Itself to a few, then that would probably be more accurate.

Regarding your last sentence in your post you relate thier being able to drink poison etc because of the authority they have as a believer over Satan.

This too is wrong. Iam a authority in my own right and you are a authority in your own right, we all are because the Sacred Presence of God is within us all. This you seem unwilling to accept and that is the church's fault for not teaching you that, from witholding vital information from it's congregation. The deciever is the mortal mind which has as it's function the 5 senses so it can experience the outside world or the relative world if you like. This 'Satan' is not a person, nor is it a Spirit of any kind it refers to the 5 senses of mankind. The egoic mortal mind of man, which is termed the lower mind, needs to be subservient to the Christ Mind. The subconsiouss mind of God you may be amazed to know is the God Mind. The inner mind is another way of putting it. So, you see, we all have the same mind as God and that is why we can create or rather be co-creators of God just as we were designed to be. 'What is MIne is Thine God says to us.

The Bible does contain Truth in it as I have said before, maybe on another thread here, however it takes Spiritual eyes to discern this Truth. Use that eye and you will find the Truth although dont come back and tell me God is in a book, any book.

Regards
Gatsby
ps I hope you have remained well after your healing all these years ago.