What sort of Demon am I dealing with?

[Sparko]

We arrived to this point in the discussion when you said, "How weak IS your God that he has to move over to let a demon have some room?" If you are sinning and God is still in you, then God has moved over to let sin have some room. So you aren't really explaining the difference yet.

God is in us to lead us to becoming righteous. He is not there to control us and make us into puppets. Allowing a third party to infiltrate your body, sharing space with the most Holy of Holies, is just beyond incomprehensible. And to claim that we have the power to cast such beings out of someone who apparenty God has already allowed to live there with him makes no sense either.

Where does the NT say the Holy Spirit is always with you while you are actively sinning?

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

If you are actively sinning and not keeping the commandments, then I don't see promise that the Holy Spirit moves over to let sin have some room, never leaving.

I already posted the verses. Our body is a temple of the Holy Spirit. We are indwelt by the HS. He is our counselor. How can he counsel us if he runs away every time we sin? We are SEALED by the Holy Spirit. A seal is something that cannot be broken.

I see that if you repent and return back to keeping the commandments, then you get the Holy Spirit again.

right. God comes and runs away again allowing Demons to take us over and control his chosen people. sure. that makes sense.

I've been consistent all along, you just never explained why God will move over to make room for sin, but not a demon.

because a demon is an evil spirit that God cast out of heaven because he didn't want them around him. Why would he live with one in your body?

When King Saul got an evil spirit he went nutty against David, who at that point had God's Spirit instead and comforted Saul. I see nothing indicating that the good and evil spirits of the OT are any different than those in the NT, or any different than those of today.

again, people were not indwelt with the Holy Spirit until after Jesus rose.

[FredFlanders]

have her parents tried seeking a medical diagnosis?

Yes Hamster,
The lady had seeker help from doctors and mental health earlier on (before coming to us) but this only made her condition worse as medicine and psychological help made her disillusioned and confused. Now she is quite normal now she is off the medicine except when the demon takes over.
Many of our members have had serious mental issues and many have spent time in mental health care but after coming to us they have been delivered from their problems and now live normal lives. We find that the mental problems they have had is caused by demonic activity within them. (the demons live in their flesh and not their soul) We only have deliverance with those that want to follow Jesus as it would be a waste of time casting a demon out of a non believer as they will only return. People with mental health problems are a result of demonic activity and unfortunately they seek doctors for healing and usually they are messed up further when the answer is with Christ Jesus and deliverance.
Some demons leave easier than others however this one has such a strong hold that we need to seek Jesus further on this one.

[FredFlanders]

how can a Christian have a demon? Christians are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Do you think God would share his home with a demon?

Sparko,
I once believed a Christian could not have a demon because that is what religion taught me now I believe differently. We have had many people come to our meetings from other churches who believed this. Their old church's directed them to doctors which did not help their situation what so ever when the answer was within in the Church and Christ Jesus. Now with deliverance they have been totally healed and set free.

[FredFlanders]

Maybe you should look into who ran the museum, not just the mummy in it.

Following the history of the incident the demon appears as if it come from the Mummy. We do believe that demonic spirits can come from a numbers of religious idols. If you do a study on Mummy's you will see why demonic spirit dwell in them.

[FredFlanders]

cute metaphor but there is no scriptural backing for demons possessing Christians.

If we are indwelt by God, then demons cannot possess what belongs to God. Our house is not empty but filled with the spirit of God, and he protects us.

Sparko,
Another question you can ask yourself is why do some Christians still have mental health problems? When you realise that is because of demons then you have the avenue to help them.

[Hamster]

Demons don't cause mental health problems. Nor do they cause bruises or flus.

[Manwë Súlimo]

Sparko,
Another question you can ask yourself is why do some Christians still have mental health problems?

Same reason some are quadriplegic, blind, or...you know....dead. It's called a sick body. There's no reason to see a demon under every rock and dark corner.

[Adrift]

Following the history of the incident the demon appears as if it come from the Mummy. We do believe that demonic spirits can come from a numbers of religious idols. If you do a study on Mummy's you will see why demonic spirit dwell in them.

Is a mummy an idol? Who is worshiping 2 to 4 thousand year old mummies? What purpose would a demon have in an old mummy? Wouldn't they prefer a living host as we see when Jesus cast the demons out of the demoniac into the pigs? This is the same problem I have with the concept that demons hide out in old haunted houses... Why would a demon hang out in a place that's typically abandoned? Doesn't seem like a particularly good use of time. Two things occur to me in these situations. One, either the person being demonized came with spirit that demonized them at such and such location, or two, the demon manifests itself at certain locations in order that those who are looking for something spiritual to happen (ghost hunters) keep looking and never come into a fuller understanding of the truth of Christ Jesus.

I know a woman who practiced in the occult for years, and she was actually deceived into thinking that she was the one in control of the spiritual manifestations she saw in her life, until one day when the same spirits she was playing with showed her their true colors and scared so badly she thought she was going to physically die. It seems probable to me that if the person you're describing is being demonized then it probably started way before her trip to the museum.

The thing about Christians being demonized (again, not necessarily possessed... possession implies something... different (check the link in my first post)) is that we, as Christians, have something that the unbeliever does not. We stand in authority in the name of Christ Jesus.

Also, I don't know your ministry Fred, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm concerned about... the emphasis... maybe... of the ministry? Like, I'm imagining right now some of the churches I've either encountered or seen on video that are completely chaotic and unsound in their attempts to exorcise demons from everyone who walks in the front door. A red flag is going up in my head as you describe the situation. I'm trying not to pass judgment, because I don't know the specifics, but this sounds... off... somehow. Maybe I'm wrong though.

[Adrift]

Demons don't cause mental health problems. Nor do they cause bruises or flus.

I disagree. I think that what we sometimes consider mental health issues are in fact some sort of demonization. I don't think that's always the case, but its certainly sometimes the case. And I can think of at least two instances immediately where demons caused bruises on people in scripture.

[Adrift]

In our group of believers we have delivered many from demons but this one will not go. Has any one dealt with some one who has been possessed with a demon that has come from a Mummy? This particular lady now 41 years of age is zealous for Christ yet manifests dramatically during meetings particularly when we are praying in the Spirit. We have found out from her parents that when she was 12 years of age that they visited a museum where there was a Mummy on show and apparently she fell down unexplainably and then told her parents that she felt some thing come inside of her. Today when the manifestations take place it also includes a demonic type of “speaking in tongues” although I know it not to be the Holy Spirit “speaking in tongues” as I am Pentecostal and understand what this is. Over a number of months we have patiently tried to expel the demon but it is a tough one and we have not found the key as yet. The demon will not tell us its name.
Does anyone have knowledge of such “Mummy” demons and can offer some advice to expel the demon?

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot you were looking for advice in this thread. My advice is forget the Mummy. What I would want to know about is her family history and any odd going-ons there. Whatever she's dealing with (demonic or not) may have seemed to have started at the museum, but my money is on something closer to home.

[FredFlanders]

Same reason some are quadriplegic, blind, or...you know....dead. It's called a sick body. There's no reason to see a demon under every rock and dark corner.

BE,
What are we (Christians) to do with some one who is sick?

[Manwë Súlimo]

BE,
What are we (Christians) to do with some one who is sick?

If you're related, give them medicine or take them to the hospital if it's serious enough; and pray.

What, you think there's a swine flu demon?

[Hamster]

I disagree. I think that what we sometimes consider mental health issues are in fact some sort of demonization. I don't think that's always the case, but its certainly sometimes the case. And I can think of at least two instances immediately where demons caused bruises on people in scripture.

Sorry, I phrased that weird. Demons can cause bruises, mental illness, etc. But bruises and mental illness aren't necessarily caused by demons.

[FredFlanders]

Is a mummy an idol? Who is worshiping 2 to 4 thousand year old mummies? What purpose would a demon have in an old mummy? Wouldn't they prefer a living host as we see when Jesus cast the demons out of the demoniac into the pigs? This is the same problem I have with the concept that demons hide out in old haunted houses... Why would a demon hang out in a place that's typically abandoned? Doesn't seem like a particularly good use of time. Two things occur to me in these situations. One, either the person being demonized came with spirit that demonized them at such and such location, or two, the demon manifests itself at certain locations in order that those who are looking for something spiritual to happen (ghost hunters) keep looking and never come into a fuller understanding of the truth of Christ Jesus.

I know a woman who practiced in the occult for years, and she was actually deceived into thinking that she was the one in control of the spiritual manifestations she saw in her life, until one day when the same spirits she was playing with showed her their true colors and scared so badly she thought she was going to physically die. It seems probable to me that if the person you're describing is being demonized then it probably started way before her trip to the museum.

The thing about Christians being demonized (again, not necessarily possessed... possession implies something... different (check the link in my first post)) is that we, as Christians, have something that the unbeliever does not. We stand in authority in the name of Christ Jesus.

Also, I don't know your ministry Fred, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm concerned about... the emphasis... maybe... of the ministry? Like, I'm imagining right now some of the churches I've either encountered or seen on video that are completely chaotic and unsound in their attempts to exorcise demons from everyone who walks in the front door. A red flag is going up in my head as you describe the situation. I'm trying not to pass judgment, because I don't know the specifics, but this sounds... off... somehow. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Adrift,
The proof of the ministry is in the fruit or results. There are now many who were mentally sick who are now totally healed where no other Christian ministry could help.

[FredFlanders]

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot you were looking for advice in this thread. My advice is forget the Mummy. What I would want to know about is her family history and any odd going-ons there. Whatever she's dealing with (demonic or not) may have seemed to have started at the museum, but my money is on something closer to home.

Adrift,
I am seeking some advice on a controversial matter from those in the know and knew that this subject would get some ridicule. But to some that may be looking for answers with an open mind this thread could help some.