DNA studies on Jews

[greentwiga]

I would not get carried away with the genealogy of Seth. Don't forget the genealogy of Cain. He left many descendants. Each of Seth's descendants had many other sons and daughters, so all in all, I would not correlate one of these men with one haplotype. Also, remember, some of these haplotypes might have arisen after Noah and might even correlate to one of his descendants.
As for Sumer, just after the story of the flood, Noah's descendants moved into the plain of Shinar, apparently empty. Shinar is the Hebrew version of Sumer. We do similar things. What we call Spain, they call Espana. Germany is Deutschland. Shinar is clearly Sumer and was empty after the flood.

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed long before the Israelites moved in. Infact, they had to kick other people out. I am just giving examples of how God has destroyed regions like Sumer, Look at Gen 6:5-13. 4 sins are listed. Evil, wicked, corrupt, and violent. Even Archaeologists and historians would agree with this assessment.

[Ben Sinai]

I would not get carried away with the genealogy of Seth. Don't forget the genealogy of Cain. He left many descendants. Each of Seth's descendants had many other sons and daughters, so all in all, I would not correlate one of these men with one haplotype. Also, remember, some of these haplotypes might have arisen after Noah and might even correlate to one of his descendants.
As for Sumer, just after the story of the flood, Noah's descendants moved into the plain of Shinar, apparently empty. Shinar is the Hebrew version of Sumer. We do similar things. What we call Spain, they call Espana. Germany is Deutschland. Shinar is clearly Sumer and was empty after the flood.

　
Its just funny to me that there are 10 haplotypes up to and including "J" which you claim to be the haplotype of Noach and there are 10 men starting with Adam and descending to Noach. Something written so many years ago and long before anyone knew what a haplotype was much less a gene and it correlates perfectly with that of what science has come up with.
　
Kayin did have sons and daughters but if the flood was to have killed them all then it wouldn't be an issue. One cannot prove one way or the other that any of Kayin's seed made it. Scripture plainly states that they did not.
　
No one has yet proven that any of the haplotypes from A to I was after J as far as I am aware of. You have not shown any evidence of that thus far.
　
So Noach’s descendants moved into Shinar, which by the way could have meant the northern area of Babylonia and not that of the southern region which would have much, much later have been known as Chaldea. It is all very much debatable as well as your statement that Shinar is a Hebraic term of Sumer. It is of a foreign derivation.
　

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed long before the Israelites moved in. Infact, they had to kick other people out. I am just giving examples of how God has destroyed regions like Sumer, Look at Gen 6:5-13. 4 sins are listed. Evil, wicked, corrupt, and violent. Even Archaeologists and historians would agree with this assessment.

　
But the text in no way even insinuates that the flood only destroyed a region but the earth. All the other instances through out the whole of scriptures have spoken of regions when it is speaking of regions and it speaks of earth when it is speaking of earth. Oh. But you want to say that just in this one instance that things are different than what scripture shows through its own contextual repetitiveness. If Yah was only upset with man in that specific region then he would have named that specific region as he did Sodom and Gomorrah. There is also that train of thought that if the flood only did do that particular region that it still killed all of man because they had yet moved from one another and was speaking the same language.

[greentwiga]

The term earth that we assume to mean the whole earth is also translated "region" or "the country of." I am not disputing that translating it as "the whole world" is a reasonable translation. I am looking and considering if these other translations are reasonable in this context. That is why I think the passage in Peter is so important. I definitely am not insisting I am right. You have mentioned some good arguments. Remember, scripture is inspired, but our interpretations are not.

[Ben Sinai]

The term earth that we assume to mean the whole earth is also translated "region" or "the country of." I am not disputing that translating it as "the whole world" is a reasonable translation. I am looking and considering if these other translations are reasonable in this context. That is why I think the passage in Peter is so important.

　
I agree. Ehrets means the ground, dirt, earth and can mean a region or country as in Ehrets Yisrael. I just also see here where it is stated .............
　
Gen 6:13 Elohim said to Noach, "The end of all flesh has come before me, for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
I can't help but see the word "all" meaning just that, "all". Now whether it was the whole earth would completely depend on whether or not all of man, animals and birds lived in just one region or not.
　

I definitely am not insisting I am right. You have mentioned some good arguments. Remember, scripture is inspired, but our interpretations are not.

　
I am so glad you mentioned this. I for one never assumed that you would insist such a thing as so many seem to do in these type settings. I as well do not insist that I am right either. I look at what is written and tear it apart to nit pick it to death to be as sure as I possibly can be that it is saying what it is saying. I look to see if there is any other scenarios that are similar and see how all of those similarities connect with one another as to see how they are handled and if there is a running history that there is a certain way that something is done without variance then all of such instances would have been handled the same exact way.
　
This has been a great discussion for me and I have enjoyed it even with those that think they are somebody. This discussion has not a thing in the world to do with salvation and is only for the vanity of our minds. Its nice to know things as long as those things do not diminish from our solemn goal.

[greentwiga]

May God bless you richly. As a side note, I do get into a variety of discussions in the real world where showing that the Garden of Eden could be real or showing the flood could be real has affected a persons salvation or brought a person back to God. That is why I enjoyed sharpening my ideas here. Once again, I enjoyed our discussion and hope to talk on another thread.

[Ben Sinai]

May God bless you richly. As a side note, I do get into a variety of discussions in the real world where showing that the Garden of Eden could be real or showing the flood could be real has affected a persons salvation or brought a person back to God. That is why I enjoyed sharpening my ideas here. Once again, I enjoyed our discussion and hope to talk on another thread.

May Yah bless you as well as according to your righteousness and his will. I can see where you are coming from and understand how one would either fall or gain a more stable footing as to such debates and discussions but when I made mention as to this discussion having nothing whatsoever to do with one's salvation I meant merely that it is nothing more than ones wanting of knowledge which would not gain that one any keys to eternal life. That falls more to obedience to Yah's commands and the belief in Yahshua Ha Moshiach Ben Dawid. But in any case I to wish to converse with you further.

Shalom