Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 18

Thread: Zoroaster

  1. #1
    tWebber TheWall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    2,614
    Amen (Given)
    1213
    Amen (Received)
    1316

    Zoroaster

    My mom keeps talking about the guy. I need to know as much as I can about it.

  2. #2
    Evolution is God's ID rogue06's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Southeastern U.S. of A.
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    34,100
    Amen (Given)
    792
    Amen (Received)
    13875
    Quote Originally Posted by TheWall View Post
    My mom keeps talking about the guy. I need to know as much as I can about it.
    What does she say? From that you'll know what angle your studying ought to take.

    I'm always still in trouble again

  3. #3
    tWebber TheWall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    2,614
    Amen (Given)
    1213
    Amen (Received)
    1316
    Things like
    The hebrews got their concept of monotheism from the zoroastrians.
    That the bible was influenced by the zoroastrians during the persian and babylonian exiles.
    That angels are Ahuras.
    Weird stuff.

  4. #4
    tWebber TheWall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    2,614
    Amen (Given)
    1213
    Amen (Received)
    1316
    I know that it is all nonsense. The issue is I can not prove it.

  5. #5
    Professor Cerebrum123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    8,439
    Amen (Given)
    16103
    Amen (Received)
    3089
    Well, you may have already read the stuff on Tektonics, but it might help to link to them here if you haven't searched there yet.

    http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/zoroaster.php

    http://www.tektonics.org/guest/antzoro.htm

    If you really want to dig deep, you will need to read the Avestas, and other Zoroastrian works. Hopefully it's more enlightening, and less disturbing than going through the Islamic texts.
    Safka, you are NOT "unknown", you were loved by many, and you will not be forgotten. I will always remember you Puginator.


  6. #6
    tWebber TheWall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    2,614
    Amen (Given)
    1213
    Amen (Received)
    1316
    I have been interested in reading the works of other religions.
    The Vedas. The Gathas. The book of Mormon. Ect. I know the bible can standup to criticism. I doubt these books could.

  7. #7
    Evolution is God's ID rogue06's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Southeastern U.S. of A.
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    34,100
    Amen (Given)
    792
    Amen (Received)
    13875
    First thing to consider is that nobody actually knows when Zoroaster (a.k.a., Zarathustra) lived. While some place him around 1000 BC the majority of scholars think he more likely lived somewhere between 600500 BC., roughly around the same time as Cyrus the Great. If that is indeed the case then David, Isaiah and Jeremiah (who all mention monotheism, the Messiah, the Resurrection...), lived and wrote well before Zoroaster's time making it impossible for Zoroaster to be the source of these things.

    Moreover, it is extremely difficult to determine what exactly he taught as opposed to what modern adherents declare he taught since the only source of his teachings are the Avesta and the oldest copy of that dates from the 13th cent. AD. We just don't have any idea what was taught in the early years as compared to what is taught now.

    Finally, I'm not entirely sure that Zoroastrianism can truly be considered monotheistic since it was dualistic with Ohrmazd (a.k.a., Ahura Mazda) representing the good (and definitely not omnipotent) and Ahriman (a.k.a., Angra Mainyu) who created everything bad or destructive. There relation is a bit confusing with the modern view being that Ohrmazd created Ahriman but one old tradition makes them twins -- the sons of Zurvān ("Time").

    I'm always still in trouble again

  8. Amen Cerebrum123, TheWall amen'd this post.
  9. #8
    tWebber Faber's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Orion Arm
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    739
    Amen (Given)
    129
    Amen (Received)
    349
    I did a deep study on this recently and came up with a two-part essay giving details about when Zarathustra lived according to the religion's own documents. It details how key figures like Baron Bunsen, Martin Haug and Mary Boyce fell for the notion that the Zarathustra and the Gathas date back to about 1500-2000 BC, thus coming to the conclusion that they predated Moses. It amounts to 30 pages, single spaced. I don't know if I would be permitted to post something that large. But it makes interesting reading for Christmas, as it gives detail on the magi, and later beliefs that they were seeking a virgin-born figure known as Saoshyant.

  10. #9
    tWebber TheWall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    2,614
    Amen (Given)
    1213
    Amen (Received)
    1316
    Cool beans faber.

  11. #10
    Child of the One True King Raphael's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Middle Earth, New Zealand
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    4,858
    Amen (Given)
    2394
    Amen (Received)
    2780
    Quote Originally Posted by Faber View Post
    I did a deep study on this recently and came up with a two-part essay giving details about when Zarathustra lived according to the religion's own documents. It details how key figures like Baron Bunsen, Martin Haug and Mary Boyce fell for the notion that the Zarathustra and the Gathas date back to about 1500-2000 BC, thus coming to the conclusion that they predated Moses. It amounts to 30 pages, single spaced. I don't know if I would be permitted to post something that large. But it makes interesting reading for Christmas, as it gives detail on the magi, and later beliefs that they were seeking a virgin-born figure known as Saoshyant.
    If you save it to a pdf and it comes to under 2MB you can upload it. (you have to go to the advanced reply screen and click on Manage Attachments.)

    If it's bigger than 2MB, then let me know and I'll come up with some other plans.


    So Yes, you have permission to post something so large.
    TheologyWeb Needs YOU! - Please Help Us Upgrade Tweb! Click here for more info


    "If you can ever make any major religion look absolutely ludicrous, chances are you haven't understood it"
    -Ravi Zacharias, The New Age: A foreign bird with a local walk

    Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
    1 Corinthians 16:13

    "...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
    -Ben Witherington III

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •