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    Question How did Dominic Crossan become a skeptic about Christianity?

    I am interesting in learning how Dominic Crossan became a skeptic about Christianity? Have any of you read enough about him to come across any biographical discussions he made?

    I tried to find out the answer, and learned that he was in the catholic priesthood in the early 1960's and was a professor at a Catholic college but then left it to become a professor elsewhere. I know that he left the priesthood and married twice. I know that he helped run the Jesus Seminar with Marcus Borg in the mid 1980's and that his opinion is that Jesus did exist, based on writings by Josephus and Tacitus. He also points out that the early opponents of Christianity did not claim that Jesus never existed. But Crossan also sees Jesus' physical resurrection and prophecies of His Second Coming as myths or parables.

    So my question is how, earlier in his life, did Crossan reach his skepticism? Has he written about this?

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    Yes, he did. It's in his memoir A Long Way From Tipperary, which he wrote in the early 2000s. I read it about this time last year; it's pretty interesting.

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    I was going to suggest his memoir too, but have not personally read it.

    Crossan does not believe in a physical resurrection, but if I recall correctly, he does believe in the resurrection, that the disciples had true visions of Jesus exalted after his death, the first fruits of the general resurrection, or something like that. He very much considers himself a Christian. I do too. I had a nice conversation with him once on a post-breakfast stroll at an SNTS meeting. He's a delightful man, by the way.

    I don't know how he personally came to his view of the resurrection, but it is not an uncommon position among professional theologians and academics. I don't know if he has ever detailed an evolution of his views specific to the resurrection. Most of his work has been trying to get back to the earliest traditions of the teachings of Jesus prior to the death and resurrection of Jesus.
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robrecht View Post
    He's a delightful man, by the way.
    That is precisely why it is unsatisfactory when psstein says of Farmer that he's a delightful man.
    http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/p/apologetics-section.html

    Thanks, Sparko, for telling how I add the link here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by robrecht View Post
    I was going to suggest his memoir too, but have not personally read it.

    Crossan does not believe in a physical resurrection, but if I recall correctly, he does believe in the resurrection, that the disciples had true visions of Jesus exalted after his death, the first fruits of the general resurrection, or something like that. He very much considers himself a Christian. I do too. I had a nice conversation with him once on a post-breakfast stroll at an SNTS meeting. He's a delightful man, by the way.

    I don't know how he personally came to his view of the resurrection, but it is not an uncommon position among professional theologians and academics. I don't know if he has ever detailed an evolution of his views specific to the resurrection. Most of his work has been trying to get back to the earliest traditions of the teachings of Jesus prior to the death and resurrection of Jesus.
    I take it you don't really put much stock in 1 Corinthians 15:14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    I take it you don't really put much stock in 1 Corinthians 15:14.
    cf. verse 17. For that matter all of I Corinthians 15:12-19 and perhaps on up to v.34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    I take it you don't really put much stock in 1 Corinthians 15:14.
    Nonsense. We've discussed this before, a couple of times, so you should know this is not true.
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robrecht View Post
    Nonsense. We've discussed this before, a couple of times, so you should know this is not true.
    I honestly don't remember those conversations, but it wouldn't surprise me if you had some sort of ridiculous rationalization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    I honestly don't remember those conversations, but it wouldn't surprise me if you had some sort of ridiculous rationalization.
    Last time I had a discussion with robrecht I felt like this.



    Fortunately you came in the thread and pointed out just how far off the mark robrecht's posts were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    Last time I had a discussion with robrecht I felt like this.



    Fortunately you came in the thread and pointed out just how far off the mark robrecht's posts were.
    My recollection is that Adrift took an admittedly cryptic comment of mine out of its original context and you repeatedly refused to accept my explanation of its meaning. There too you mischaracterized my views from an earlier thread that you had also abandoned. I think you should go back to either or both of these two earlier threads if you want to try to have a better understanding of my perspective.
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

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