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    I saw Professor Bonevac on TV last night. He said for all intents and purposes debate has been shut down because of political correctness. Kids no longer are exposed to contrary views, classical moral thought, and their ability to debate or even defend their own positions has almost completely atrophied. What a complete disservice these educators are doing to our young people.


    UT Austin professor says political correctness killed his moral ethics course

    The art of debate and discourse on campus has largely been lost due to students who no longer feel comfortable openly deliberating ideas that might get them labeled a racist or misogynist or some other name.

    That according to University of Texas at Austin philosphy Professor Daniel Bonevac, who has experienced first hand the impact of this trend.

    In 2011, seeing signs of this phenomenon, he stopped teaching an extremely popular course examining contemporary moral problems — a class he offered for more than 20 years — because today’s students are unwilling to debate controversial, politicized issues.

    Political correctness has frozen debate to the point that the trouble and backlash he might receive by offering such a course it not worth it, he said. At this point, he’s not willing to resume teaching the class.

    “Students clam up as soon as conversation veers close to anything controversial and one side might be viewed as politically incorrect,” he told The College Fix via email. “The open exchange of ideas that used to make courses such as Contemporary Moral Problems exciting doesn’t happen.”

    “It’s not possible to teach the course the way I used to teach it.”

    Historically, Bonevac’s “Contemporary Moral Problems” focused on four issues fundamental to moral and political philosophy: liberty, first principles, rights and justice.

    Bonevac discussed these issues by connecting them to contemporary moral issues such as drug legalization, sexual behavior, the environment, abortion, capital punishment, war, economic equality, affirmative action and immigration.

    His students read both the classical philosophical texts of Aristotle, Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, Burke, Kant, Mill, Rawls and others, as well as contemporary articles tackling various sides of modern moral issues.

    http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/30168/
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    Stop debating this now!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      Stop debating this now!
      Is seer doing something wrong?
      sigpic

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        Stop debating this now!
        Really?
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #5
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          Really?
          Yes. Our leadership is easily triggered. Why do you think we ban all of those online dating spammers?
          That's what
          - She

          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

          I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
          - Stephen R. Donaldson

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
            Yes. Our leadership is easily triggered. Why do you think we ban all of those online dating spammers?
            Sorry for the trigger - I have some comfort teddy bears if you would like one.
            Last edited by seer; 12-06-2016, 11:25 AM.
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #7
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              Can you move this to Civics? Sorry for the trigger - I have some comfort teddy bears if you would like one.
              Is that a safe space?
              That's what
              - She

              Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
              - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

              I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
              - Stephen R. Donaldson

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                Is that a safe space?
                Well it's not actually a teddy bear, but a rather hungry grizzly. And he has a safe space in his warm tummy for you!
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #9
                  It's very simple: the left can't a win a debate of ideas, so their goal is to make it so the debate doesn't even happen.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #10
                    Debating is politically incorrect. It is not allowed.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by seer View Post
                      I saw Professor Bonevac on TV last night. He said for all intents and purposes debate has been shut down because of political correctness. Kids no longer are exposed to contrary views, classical moral thought, and their ability to debate or even defend their own positions has almost completely atrophied. What a complete disservice these educators are doing to our young people.
                      Since when is this the job of educators?
                      I'm not here anymore.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
                        Since when is this the job of educators?
                        What teaching our kids to debate and reason? To be able to work through a problem, deal with contrary points of view? Carrikature, I can't believe that you are happy with what is happening in many of our Universities.
                        Last edited by seer; 12-06-2016, 04:40 PM.
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • #13
                          Is it really a bad thing if people are refusing to take the wrong side? How is this any different from lamenting that there are no more pro and anti slavery debates?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            I saw Professor Bonevac on TV last night. He said for all intents and purposes debate has been shut down because of political correctness. Kids no longer are exposed to contrary views, classical moral thought, and their ability to debate or even defend their own positions has almost completely atrophied. What a complete disservice these educators are doing to our young people.
                            Critical thinking, and the ability to reason well, is something that can be taught and learned with regard to almost any of hundreds of topics on a university campus. Just because a small number of topics that could be counted on one's fingers are out of bounds due to their ability to inflame, generate hostile reactions, and descend into arguments, it is absolutely ridiculous to suggest that therefore thinking in general can't be taught. Avoiding 5 or so topics doesn't "Mak[e] Our Kids Stupid"... that's just absurd.

                            “It’s not possible to teach the course the way I used to teach it.”

                            Historically, Bonevac’s “Contemporary Moral Problems” focused on four issues fundamental to moral and political philosophy: liberty, first principles, rights and justice.

                            Bonevac discussed these issues by connecting them to contemporary moral issues such as drug legalization, sexual behavior, the environment, abortion, capital punishment, war, economic equality, affirmative action and immigration.

                            His students read both the classical philosophical texts of Aristotle, Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, Burke, Kant, Mill, Rawls and others, as well as contemporary articles tackling various sides of modern moral issues.

                            There seems an obvious fix to that, to me. If he's finding the contemporary moral issues too problematic, then it's fairly straight forward to drop those and discuss only historical moral issues, which are already part of the course. He should pick major historical moral events - e.g. the abolition of slavery, the push for women to obtain the vote, something from Greco-Roman times, something from the medieval period etc, and the students can read various points of view from writers in the historical period and analyse those writings with respect to the categories of "liberty, first principles, rights and justice" etc.

                            In short, I don't see any problem here. All he's whining about is that students are becoming less prepared to say nasty stuff in the classroom and he's sad because it doesn't lead to such boisterous debates as he used to have in his classes. Well, boohoo for him, does he want a safe space for his feelings? Personally I think it's good that students today are less likely to believe and say nasty stuff. Your horrible and evil views are dying out seer, and I'm glad.
                            Last edited by Starlight; 12-06-2016, 07:02 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
                              Since when is this the job of educators?
                              Since the days of the ancient Greeks...
                              "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                              GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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