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    The Mystery of Noah's Flood

    The Flood and it's consequences, as told in Genesis, is truly an amazing story. It's a terrific mystery, when unraveled, displays the Supreme Intelligence of our God and tells us of our True Origins.

    God tells us, as it is written in the Scripture, that we live in three different Worlds - composed of at least 3 Heavens or Worlds, literally speaking.

    The first World was the first Heaven (Gen 1:6-8) which was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:6 The present Heaven or Universe (our World) will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 The third Heaven or World is the New Heaven and New Earth, where Jesus is preparing a place for us - Rev. 21Ö and it is Eternal - Rev. 22:5.

    In order to understand the Great Flood, one must understand the following:

    The world of Adam was an enclosed Biosphere much smaller than our world, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the water into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8

    Adam's earth is considered FLAT and much smaller than our present world - It had only 4 Rivers, which all ran out of the Garden of Eden .... compared to our present world, we have thousands of Rivers all over the face of our earth. The elevation of their highest mountain (Adamís world) was only 15 cubits high (22 1/2 ft.) while our highest mountain here on our earth measures some 29k ft. Above sea level.

    In fact, Adam's Earth was not on a Rocky Planet, like our present world, since it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood, and rocks don't dissolve in water.*Isa 24:19


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    Quote Originally Posted by Seve View Post
    Adam's earth is considered FLAT and much smaller than our present world
    St Augustine doesn't agree. He explains in detail how first light and then Sun circled each day around a round Earth, precisely as now (yes, St Augustine was a Geocentric too, not just St Thomas Aquinas, Sungenis, John Martin and me ...)

    Quote Originally Posted by Seve View Post
    - It had only 4 Rivers, which all ran out of the Garden of Eden .... compared to our present world, we have thousands of Rivers all over the face of our earth.
    The text does not say those 4 rivers were the only ones in the world.

    The text does identify them with rivers we have now, like one of them is Frat.

    Not sure whether Frat and Hiddekel ran south as now or North from what is now Persian Gulf, but they were Euphrates and Tigris.

    The other two might be Nile and Ganges, though Danube has also been suggested. See my reflection here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seve View Post
    The elevation of their highest mountain (Adamís world) was only 15 cubits high (22 1/2 ft.) while our highest mountain here on our earth measures some 29k ft. Above sea level.
    The text does NOT say the highest mountains were only 15 cubits high.

    It does say that water rose 15 cubits over the mountains which were highest.

    However, present height of our highest mountains, would be due to post-Flood tectonic movement.

    Not sure whether water rose only 15 cubits over highest mountains or whether the moment when it did was the last time water level could be measured before Ark went drifting across what had become a water world, but it does imply the highest mountains were so flat one could build an Ark on top of one of them, presumably THE highest mountain. See my reflection here and here.
    http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/p/apologetics-section.html

    Thanks, Sparko, for telling how I add the link here!

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    Dear hansgeorg,

    Noah and the Ark were 22 1/2 ft (15 cubits) above the Highest Elevation of Adam's Earth on the 150th Day after the Flood began. At this depth the Mountains of that Earth were covered in water. Gen 7:20.... Contrary to your view.

    On the SAME 150th Day after the Flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4

    Since you disagree, please explain to us HOW could the Ark be in both places on the SAME Day?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Seve View Post
    The Flood and it's consequences, as told in Genesis, is truly an amazing story. It's a terrific mystery, when unraveled, displays the Supreme Intelligence of our God and tells us of our True Origins.
    Quote Originally Posted by Seve View Post
    God tells us, as it is written in the Scripture, that we live in three different Worlds - composed of at least 3 Heavens or Worlds, literally speaking.

    The first World was the first Heaven (Gen 1:6-8) which was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:6 The present Heaven or Universe (our World) will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 The third Heaven or World is the New Heaven and New Earth, where Jesus is preparing a place for us - Rev. 21Ö and it is Eternal - Rev. 22:5.
    I disagree.

    The passage in Genesis doesn't designate a 'First World' as something separate from the 'Second World'. The 'Second World' is just the 'First World' that has undergone a changes brought about by sin and decay resulting in a flood. The 'Third World' as you describe it makes sense because a new creation is described. I don't see scriptural justification for the first and second world being materially different worlds.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seve View Post
    In order to understand the Great Flood, one must understand the following:

    The world of Adam was an enclosed Biosphere much smaller than our world, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the water into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8
    I've yet to see Scriptural justification for this claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seve View Post
    Adam's earth is considered FLAT and much smaller than our present world - It had only 4 Rivers, which all ran out of the Garden of Eden .... compared to our present world, we have thousands of Rivers all over the face of our earth. The elevation of their highest mountain (Adamís world) was only 15 cubits high (22 1/2 ft.) while our highest mountain here on our earth measures some 29k ft. Above sea level.
    The Scriptures do not say those were the only rivers, just rivers that were near Eden.
    If Mark Twain writes about Huckleberry Finn on the Mississippi he isn't claiming that in the only river in the USA.
    Also, Flood geologists would claim our current mountain ranges are a result of the flood - not indicative of an entirely different world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seve View Post
    In fact, Adam's Earth was not on a Rocky Planet, like our present world, since it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood, and rocks don't dissolve in water.*Isa 24:19
    God bless
    No.
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    It is a misuse of scripture to take snippets from several different books to create doctrine.
    Mixing poetry, history, and theology indiscriminately together without recognizing the different genres is a nice way to come up with some really messed up stuff.
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    The elevation of their highest mountain (Adamís world) was only 15 cubits high (22 1/2 ft.)
    er.. say what? Where do you get that? 22 FEET? That's not even a hill.

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    The Physical Making of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd HeavenS or Worlds = Multiverse.

    The 1st firmament of heaven Made (Gen 1:6-8) was like a glass container (simile) in which God would build above the firmament. The firmament protected Adam's Earth from the water which completely surrounded this firmament. The verses below reveal this since God places water inside the firmament of heaven above....

    (Gen 1:6-8 KJV)And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. 8*And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the*second day.

    He then built solid ground (similar to a man made island) on top of the water under the heaven. Can you visualize our Lord God building a solid ground into the middle of water? IF you can, then, thatí more or less how God divided the waters from the waters.*

    9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10*And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

    The firmament b/w Adamís Earth and the heaven above*was empty, containing clear air only.

    (Gen 2:6 KJV) But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

    ..... and the Earth atmosphere is formed.

    Now, that we understand that Adam's firmament/heaven which was made the 2nd Day, and the mist that went up from Earth on the 3rd Day Gen 1:8... forming the Earthís Atmosphere..... the information below added to the account revealed in this verse:

    (Gen 2:4 KJV)*These are the generations of the heavenS (plural) and of the earth when they were created,in the day*that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,*

    Notice: As you already know, the 1st Firmament called Heaven, was made on the 2nd Day.Gen 1:6-8.

    However, the cited verse above (Gen.2:4) is speaking of other heavenS (plural) Made in the SAME day as Adamís Earth. Gen 1:9. The ONLY Day the Earth and the other Heavens could have been made was the 3rd Day.

    Add the first heaven, made the 2nd Day, Gen 1:8 plus the other heavens Gen 2:4 which were made on the 3rd Day, including the one that is being prepared for us, right now (Jhn 14:2 KJV) when this world is burned (Rev 21:1 KJV) then, you now have 3 different Heavens or Worlds..

    IOW, no one in the proper frame of mind could seriously deny that God Created and Made us a 3 different Worlds or Multiverse to live in, Amen?


    God Bless


    Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the WORLDS were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
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    I'm starting to reconsider the Protestant position that every person should have a Bible.
    Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
    I'm starting to reconsider the Protestant position that every person should have a Bible.
    Maybe we should have a test to show that a person has the logic skills, exegetical skills, and any other required skills to read the Bible unsupervised. Or at least make them pass the test to talk about their "brilliant" ideas.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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