"Ye are gods" saith scripture. Yet Jesus says "I make myself more by being as the lesser"

[Gatsby]

It's ok for others to use certain words, but the rules have been interpreted to limit, if not to zero, the number of times I can use certain words or words that substitute for certain words. I have several point infractions that serve to educate me - through point infractions - on just what limits are placed on my use of certain words. It's still unclear if I can even mention that I cannot use certain words. But if I get another point infraction, I guess I'll learn the lesson TWeb is trying to teach me through point infractions.

But Urban Monk you are allowing yourself to be limited in what you can say, are you not? If this is the rules given by the Course material then I would say that most definately the Course material is not Truth. However you must decide that for yourself. If this is not the doing of the Course, then who is causing you to not use certain words and what are these point infractions you mention. Who is keeping score of the words that you write which it seems your not supposed to write or speak if the case may be?

Perhaps there is resistance here to the expression of certain words because of the power of our words.


Yes, we must choose our words carefully but that is our responsibilty and not up to someone or something else to tell you what you should and shoudn't write or speak, that Urban Monk is control, just like many other religions. It is ego based.

The temple of God is a metaphor for the mind of Christ, who encompasses God, even as Christ is encompassed by God. And this is the holy home of God. It is unlimited, and therefore formless. The concept of another - limited - temple intrudes on the unlimited temple of God and turns it into merchandise, trading on the exchange of guilt. Bodies are integral to what deals with limits. This other mind symbolizes an alien will, which, when invited into the mind of Christ, immediately goes to work to possess it and compromise/destroy it's capacity to escape it's confusion or raise itself back up from it's destruction. Form-bodies- matter -mass-limits serve as engines of destruction against the mind of Christ which knows nothing of them.

The temple of God is not a metaphor for the Mind of Christ, it represents the body, the temple which is not made with hands. The Christ Mind or Holy Spirit dwells within each heart and is the comforter spoken of by Jesus. Jesus said he would destroy the temple and raise it up again in 3 days. The temple was the body and in 3 days he resurrected the body, the body of light. These are where the subtle bodies come in. The etheric counterpart, the astral body and the mental body and the casual body. The etheric body is a double of the physical body though vibrating at a higher rate. If these bodies vibrated at the same rate that we do as human beings, then we would be able to see them with our own eyes. Everything is created in the inner realms before it comes forth in the outer realm which we know of as the world, Earth.


Yes, we, in conspiracy with the mind that makes form, which intrudes upon the mind of Christ in the name of all that is uniquely different from Christ and from themselves.

Our soul makes the form before we incarnate. What does the Course teach you about the Soul of Mankind?

Form blasphemes God. So it must be made in a mind divided against itself.


I disagree.

Love stops God from making anything with limits, or even the appearance of limits. Love also stops God from removing the limits we place upon ourselves through our imaginative belief systems. We must therefore, let go of the things we think we cherish, or what we think is made of God but isn't. To say that form is made by God is merely to give it worth, validity, and thus to worth-ship it.

To say that form is made by God does not mean it is to be worshipped, or a made up word worth-ship it. That is nonsense. I haven't and wouldn't advise anyone to worship the body nor would I do so. Yes, God is unlimited that is true. But we, through lowering our vibations, many moons ago, limited ourselves to form and beleived the form was us, when it is not us, not the Real I Am which is US you could say. Only way I can put it, apologies for that but Iam sure you will understand what I mean. Just dont think that Iam meaning that there must be more than one God because I use the word us.


There are no levels in reality. The highest realm is the only realm, and it is one realm. The heirarchal realms you propose are propositions proffered by the mind (mortal temple) within a mind (immortal temple of Christ). Those realms are supported by all manner of kabballa. But none are true and so may be "overcome" by the one who accepts only the equal oneness of reality. .

Urban Monk,
what you say is true. But that Truth has not touched us yet and is only a mental thought at the present. Jesus said,. 'In my Fathers House there are many mansions. Are you telling me that this is wrong? When you pass over to the other side, the higher side of life I shall call it, or the spirit world, that is more appropiate, where do you think you will go? People go to the Astral World and this has been a proven fact for a long time now. Proved by NDE's and other means.


No because that would only lend worth, validity and reality to what this gospel calls unreal "engines of destruction". No because there are no levels in reality, neither levels of mind nor levels of bodily construction, which are an expression of levels of mind. There are not known and unknown realms within the Realm of God.

I Beg to differ. There are no reason that I can think of why, after all you will be saying that there is no such thing as reincarnation next.

We are on our way back to God, NOW, I say that knowing that only here do we have time and space so we are with God NOW, He is within us NOW. By on our way back to God Iam reffering to us as a race. We are raising our vibrations whether we know it consiously or not.

This takes me back to 'Ye are god's saith scripture'. I take it the Course says that is wrong too.

Regards
Gatsby

[UrbanMonk]

I have not engaged either Vivian or Gatsby yet, and my thoughts are not limited to the Bible.

das Uber-Ich
HH

Neither are their thoughts limited to the bible. That does not prevent all three parties from making an alliance around the concept of separate and uniquely different beings. It requires what I call 'kabballa' to support it. A kaballa, for example, might include the concept that God made separate and uniquely different beings....and then "the devil" came and corrupted what God made. And now we must figure out how to be uncorrupted separate and uniquely different beings again. This deals with symptoms and not with the root of the problem. The root of the problem is the concept of uniquely different beings...a concept not of God.

[UrbanMonk]

This takes me back to 'Ye are god's saith scripture'. I take it the Course says that is wrong too.

It is natural to be God, and this is an inheritance given that cannot be revoked. It's what we do with the power of God that damns us to an existence of seperate, uniquely different "gods"...as in a plural muliplicity. That is the concept that builds this world, and it is the concept that is desperately defended by the defenses the friends of the world maintain.

[Vivian]

Neither are their thoughts limited to the bible. That does not prevent all three parties from making an alliance around the concept of separate and uniquely different beings. It requires what I call 'kabballa' to support it. A kaballa, for example, might include the concept that God made separate and uniquely different beings....and then "the devil" came and corrupted what God made. And now we must figure out how to be uncorrupted separate and uniquely different beings again. This deals with symptoms and not with the root of the problem. The root of the problem is the concept of uniquely different beings...a concept not of God.

Hello UrbanMonk -

I do not wish to argue with you but only correct incorrect statements...

What is known as Kaballah does not say as you claim. You again are making incorrect statements about other traditions in an effort to justify your own. [This fallacious technique of arguing has a name, methinks! And I am sure that somewhere in ACIM it describes these separative tendencies, or it ought to!]

And kaballah simply means to receive, so ACIM is 'A Kaballah" as well since it was received.


Shalom.

Viv

[UrbanMonk]

Hello UrbanMonk -

I do not wish to argue with you but only correct incorrect statements...

What is known as Kaballah does not say as you claim. You again are making incorrect statements about other traditions in an effort to justify your own. [This fallacious technique of arguing has a name, methinks! And I am sure that somewhere in ACIM it describes these separative tendencies, or it ought to!]

And kaballah simply means to receive, so ACIM is 'A Kaballah" as well since it was received.


Shalom.

Viv

What supports oneness is a gospel. What supports seperate and uniquely different personas, whether light or dense...is a kabballa. As such, a kabballa deals mainly with magic in an attempt to combine true with false, one with many, light with dark, life with death, changlessness with change, time with eternity. A kabballa will never give us our true genesis, nor our true destiny, because those originate with and return to oneness. The word kabballa is not used in the gospel you mentioned. It is how i, allowing the Spirit of truth to work through my mind, have interpreted stories that are intent on confusing the very "gods" who make them up.

[UrbanMonk]

But Urban Monk you are allowing yourself to be limited in what you can say, are you not? If this is the rules given by the Course material then I would say that most definately the Course material is not Truth. However you must decide that for yourself. If this is not the doing of the Course, then who is causing you to not use certain words and what are these point infractions you mention. Who is keeping score of the words that you write which it seems your not supposed to write or speak if the case may be?

Elements of Tweb are keeping score and escalate the point infractions with each infraction, working toward some kind of conclusion. I have even been given a point(s) infraction for what amounts to an inability to read a plural number of minds, each with is own idea of what a gag order limits or includes...which does not include a sense of humor. Otherwise, I am free to advertize my textual preferences in my signature. That is a consolation prize for an otherwise extensive textual blackout. The point infractions came while the goal posts were specially moved narrower and narrower in the name of advertizing until less-than-always translated into not-at-all. The idea that apologetics is about selling concepts, and/or defending concepts did not fly...even though many here are selling the bible as a "truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth" kind of concept. I can only imagine that the reason anyone would do this is because they hold stock in Amazon and/or Barnes n Noble and/or Zondervan and are hoping to increase book sales in general and thereby profit from biblical apolegetics.

Yes, we must choose our words carefully but that is our responsibilty and not up to someone or something else to tell you what you should and shoudn't write or speak, that Urban Monk is control, just like many other religions. It is ego based.

My preferred texts do not limit what I say, trusting that I am able to convey the meaning of the text, even though I may change the form (choice of words)...in fact, expecting me to change the form of the words to meet the special needs of challenged learners.

The temple of God is not a metaphor for the Mind of Christ, it represents the body, the temple which is not made with hands.

Most certainly NOT. A body is made, well, with hands!

The Christ Mind or Holy Spirit dwells within each heart and is the comforter spoken of by Jesus.

Heart, the way you are using it is mismetaphorical. Heart, when speaking of what the Spirit abides within, is not a reference to anything limited, and therefore of form (physical, flesh). Heart is what is deepest "within"...not within a body. You cannot put the Kingdom of God within a body. You can only put it within what is unlimited...Spirit. This means we are really Spirit, not bodies.

Jesus said he would destroy the temple and raise it up again in 3 days. The temple was the body and in 3 days he resurrected the body, the body of light.

Your interpretive mind is temporarily run by the kabballistic spirit of untruth, which clings to its separatist, bodily oriented values in its persuit of unique specialness. Jesus body was a metaphor for the mind of Christ, which is destroyed by "men" (ie. mortal mind, the concept of many, form, ect.), and restored by the Spirit of truth to its original, pristine state of Being.

These are where the subtle bodies come in.

This is just a kabbalisic interpretation in order to preserve, well, bodies! This is the mistake most of Jesus hangers-on made, with the exception of Thomas, who suspected that resurrection was something more to do with MIND.

The etheric counterpart, the astral body and the mental body and the casual body.

There are no levels in reality. All of this fragmentation is the fruit of a fragmented mind...a mind intent on hiding the truth...even from itself.

The etheric body is a double of the physical body though vibrating at a higher rate.

Kabballas go into great detail about the body, but always fall short of the glory of God.

If these bodies vibrated at the same rate that we do as human beings, then we would be able to see them with our own eyes. Everything is created in the inner realms before it comes forth in the outer realm which we know of as the world, Earth.

Everything that is outside/external is projected from within. However, within, there is an alter devoted to the Truth, and an alter devoted to the false. It projects the whole world of diverse, different, separate, autonomous and unique beings.

Our soul makes the form before we incarnate. What does the Course teach you about the Soul of Mankind?

Our Soul is Christ. But as we have denied Christ, our "soul" has become many, different, separate and unique personas. Each "soul" sets it's agenda for the exploration of all that is false within a mind hijacked and dedicated to imagination. But the truth is, there are not many souls. And when we try to gain "the world" (separate status, unique differences), we lose awareness of our own Soul which is one and the same having a single name: Christ.

I disagree.

The world of separate identities, and unique differences is a mockery (mimicry) of the World of God.

To say that form is made by God does not mean it is to be worshipped, or a made up word worth-ship it. That is nonsense. I haven't and wouldn't advise anyone to worship the body nor would I do so.

But you are. Everytime you explain the different levels of subtle bodies, you are giving the body meaning, value and worth. This is worth-ship whether you want to admit it or not. It is given a status, which, if questioned, well nigh constitutes a kind of blasphemy against something you think God made, and is therefore sacred. If this isn't worth-ship, I don't know what is.

Yes, God is unlimited that is true. But we, through lowering our vibations, many moons ago, limited ourselves to form and beleived the form was us, when it is not us, not the Real I Am which is US you could say.

Lowering our vibrations, descending, and "fallen short of the glory of God" are all synonymous. The question is, from what did we lower, descend, fall from? What is our original state of "glory"? And to what "glory" do we return, ascend to? As mentioned, a kabballistic understanding does not allow the truth of the matter to prevail, rather, lowering our expectations in favor of, well, maintaining separate, different, and unique status as "gods", rather than Christ, the "only begotten" "Son of God".

Only way I can put it, apologies for that but Iam sure you will understand what I mean. Just dont think that Iam meaning that there must be more than one God because I use the word us.

Any time you impose the concept of separate and/or different states of being so that we are all unique and/or special...you are implying there is more than one God.

what you say is true. But that Truth has not touched us yet and is only a mental thought at the present.

It is like "seed" that I broadcast upon four different kinds of soil.

Jesus said,. 'In my Fathers House there are many mansions.

This is a reference to abundance for all...each given the totality of God's abundance. It is not to be taken literally except by those who are still in defiance of oneness, in support of all that is separate, different, and special in a glorious kind of way.

Are you telling me that this is wrong?

Depends on how you interprete it, with the Spirit of onenes or the spirit of separation, differences and unique status.

When you pass over to the other side, the higher side of life I shall call it, or the spirit world, that is more appropiate, where do you think you will go?

We all go back to the glory of Self. Self is the proverbial Paradise (Heaven)...our "paradise lost". Self encompasses God, and is encompassed by God, as suggested in Jesus narrative in the latter chapters of John. This means that whatever the world seems to be, it is a denial of Self, made of unbelief in Christ...the original "sin".

People go to the Astral World and this has been a proven fact for a long time now. Proved by NDE's and other means.

No, "people" (those who still believe in separate, different and unique status) just go to different levels of an unreal mind...levels that mimic the heaven of Self. They remain within a realm of change...changing...often changing back to carnation.

[headheart]

Neither are their thoughts limited to the bible. That does not prevent all three parties from making an alliance around the concept of separate and uniquely different beings. It requires what I call 'kabballa' to support it. A kaballa, for example, might include the concept that God made separate and uniquely different beings....and then "the devil" came and corrupted what God made. And now we must figure out how to be uncorrupted separate and uniquely different beings again. This deals with symptoms and not with the root of the problem. The root of the problem is the concept of uniquely different beings...a concept not of God.

Call it by any name you want....it cannot change the will of God in Christ Jesus. God draws us to His Son, and when that happens we find that uniqueness in Jesus.

[UrbanMonk]

Call it by any name you want....it cannot change the will of God in Christ Jesus.

You're just telling me that the gospel can't break your kabballistic will to be separate, different and unique...and to justify it in the name of God, Christ, and Jesus. Perhaps it can't. Maybe you have to surrender, in order for that will to be layed down and let go and taken away.

God draws us to His Son, and when that happens we find that uniqueness in Jesus.

The desire to make Jesus special is synonymous with a secret desire to be ourselves special. For deep down, we know that the truth about Jesus is the truth about us, and the lie about Jesus is the lie about us. The Son of God is not special. And the only way for us to abandon the hell that special status makes out of us, is to accept the sameness that belongs to the Son of God as Self. Jesus died to the concept of special status, understanding that this is what betrays the Son of God, and crucifies him. The only way to be the same, and therefore to be humble, is to be the Son of God. This leads not to crucifuxion, but to resurrection.

We are the one's who make Jesus special, to save our own specialness. But this is not the kind of salvation Jesus sought nor offered.

[headheart]

You're just telling me that the gospel can't break your kabballistic will to be separate, different and unique...and to justify it in the name of God, Christ, and Jesus. Perhaps it can't. Maybe you have to surrender, in order for that will to be layed down and let go and taken away.

The will of God has been firmly established before the foundations of the cosmos.

The desire to make Jesus special is synonymous with a secret desire to be ourselves special. For deep down, we know that the truth about Jesus is the truth about us, and the lie about Jesus is the lie about us. The Son of God is not special. And the only way for us to abandon the hell that special status makes out of us, is to accept the sameness that belongs to the Son of God as Self. Jesus died to the concept of special status, understanding that this is what betrays the Son of God, and crucifies him. The only way to be the same, and therefore to be humble, is to be the Son of God. This leads not to crucifuxion, but to resurrection.

We are the one's who make Jesus special, to save our own specialness. But this is not the kind of salvation Jesus sought nor offered.

Jesus certainly was and further humbled himself, but the gift of this unique life is a present from our heavenly Father, who makes sons and daughters out of orphans.

[UrbanMonk]

The will of God has been firmly established before the foundations of the cosmos.

So what makes you think the cosmos, or anything that seems to happen within it, can break the will of God?

Jesus certainly was and further humbled himself, but the gift of this unique life is a present from our heavenly Father, who makes sons and daughters out of orphans.

The gift of unique status is a gift from self to self...not of Our Spiritual Father. It is given with the power Our Father gave us...which we use to imagine all that is not true about ourSelves AND about "our heavenly Father". There is a "father" that usurps the place of Our Father. It is the father of all that is unique, different, special...and therefore of everything that is separated from itself and from the god of all things unique.

Only a 'boot camp' kind of god would make sons and daughters out of "orphans". Orphans of what, whom?

[headheart]

Orphans of what, whom?

The orphans of God, ...born once....born twice.

[Gatsby]

You're just telling me that the gospel can't break your kabballistic will to be separate, different and unique...and to justify it in the name of God, Christ, and Jesus. Perhaps it can't. Maybe you have to surrender, in order for that will to be layed down and let go and taken away.



The desire to make Jesus special is synonymous with a secret desire to be ourselves special. For deep down, we know that the truth about Jesus is the truth about us, and the lie about Jesus is the lie about us. The Son of God is not special. And the only way for us to abandon the hell that special status makes out of us, is to accept the sameness that belongs to the Son of God as Self. Jesus died to the concept of special status, understanding that this is what betrays the Son of God, and crucifies him. The only way to be the same, and therefore to be humble, is to be the Son of God. This leads not to crucifuxion, but to resurrection.

We are the one's who make Jesus special, to save our own specialness. But this is not the kind of salvation Jesus sought nor offered.

Urban Monk, you are going on and on about separtness and uiniquness yet neither Viv or myself of HH have mentioned these words, it is you that is judging what we say and interpetating it as we are saying we are unique and special. Now they say that one cant see something in another unless it is already there. Hmm makes me wonder?

Is the Course the gospel you are meaning? Is this a tweb quirk or is this what folks devoted to it are calling it.

Urban Monk, I suggest you read some of Dr MacDonal Bayne's teachings as he was a man who succeeded in ascending and knowing all the ways of Spirit, much more than just being a chanel for another to dictate a book to. You will learn from these teachings I would think, and there are 2 free e books that can be dowloaded, again I think you would benefit from them.

The free e books are called Beyond the Himalayas and the Yoga of the Christ Consciousness, both are worthwile for all seekers of Truth.

Regards
Gatsby

[UrbanMonk]

Urban Monk, you are going on and on about separtness and uiniquness yet neither Viv or myself of HH have mentioned these words, it is you that is judging what we say and interpetating it as we are saying we are unique and special. Now they say that one cant see something in another unless it is already there. Hmm makes me wonder?

Hi Gatsby, we need to be honest with each other if we are going to communicate. I don't have time at the moment to mine quotes from you supporting the concept of differences. Differences, separation, uniqueness and specialness all go with the same territory. You can't be different without being separate as a prerequisite. And to be different is to be unique, and to be unique is to be special. If the only difference is a fingerprint, that is still indicative of a wish to be special.

Is the Course the gospel you are meaning? Is this a tweb quirk or is this what folks devoted to it are calling it.

Gospel is my word I'm currently using to describe the gospel you mention above. I have at least four gospels in my collection of green textual pastures that I've been Guided to graze in. I have explained the difference between a gospel (oneness) and a kabballa (multiplicity).

[Gatsby]

Hi Gatsby, we need to be honest with each other if we are going to communicate. I don't have time at the moment to mine quotes from you supporting the concept of differences. Differences, separation, uniqueness and specialness all go with the same territory. You can't be different without being separate as a prerequisite. And to be different is to be unique, and to be unique is to be special. If the only difference is a fingerprint, that is still indicative of a wish to be special.



Gospel is my word I'm currently using to describe the gospel you mention above. I have at least four gospels in my collection of green textual pastures that I've been Guided to graze in. I have explained the difference between a gospel (oneness) and a kabballa (multiplicity).

Urban Monk certainly we must be honest with each other I couldn't agree more. However, where has there been shown by me of Viv or H H a desire to be special or unique? I have not suggested that is the case and nor have the others. You say 'If only the difference is a fingerprint that is still indicative of a WISH to be special. That is absolute twaddle, I have never thought like that and I dont think Viv or HH has either but you would need to ask them.

We are seeking the same goal so I dont know why you can understand what Iam saying. Basically to me anyway it seems that you limit God by suggesting there is not a multplicity of God in form, because you say God does not create form, form is just a illusion. I say yes, what we see in the world is a illusion, Iam not saying something different from you am I.

However not knowing anything about subtle bodies or vibrations of various higher realms is not what I would call being terribly enlightened, which means also that the Course has kept this information from it's students and done them a diservice. I cant think why this information would not be imparted to students of Spiritual Truth, seekers of God within oneself. The Self being the Real and not the ego self.

For eons of time, as we know it there have been prohpets of God imparting Truth to those who would listen. Jesus was probably about the highest of the prophets, he acheived Oneness with God through the Christ. Now all scriptures bring the same message to the people of thier time that God Is Love and Love is Life. If the Course does not touch on these things then I would deem it to be a false teaching. It is not teaching you the way as Jesus said he was the Way.

I think that as far as I have read the Course that the minds of the two writers have 'coloured' what was said through them. Maybe Iam wrong on that I wouldn't say for sure that this is the case because I would need to read the whole book to reach that conclusion and what my teacher says is not to draw any conclusion but to be open minded because once a person has reached a conclusion the search ends and people are happy to just live with the accumulated knowledge they have and thing that is all they need to know. Which is not the case at all.

All is already in the Mind of God and everything comes from the Mind of God. That is the important thing to keep in our mind.

Regards
Gatsby

[Vivian]

Urban Monk certainly we must be honest with each other I couldn't agree more. However, where has there been shown by me of Viv or H H a desire to be special or unique? I have not suggested that is the case and nor have the others. You say 'If only the difference is a fingerprint that is still indicative of a WISH to be special. That is absolute twaddle, I have never thought like that and I dont think Viv or HH has either but you would need to ask them.

We are seeking the same goal so I dont know why you can understand what Iam saying. Basically to me anyway it seems that you limit God by suggesting there is not a multplicity of God in form, because you say God does not create form, form is just a illusion. I say yes, what we see in the world is a illusion, Iam not saying something different from you am I.

However not knowing anything about subtle bodies or vibrations of various higher realms is not what I would call being terribly enlightened, which means also that the Course has kept this information from it's students and done them a diservice. I cant think why this information would not be imparted to students of Spiritual Truth, seekers of God within oneself. The Self being the Real and not the ego self.

For eons of time, as we know it there have been prohpets of God imparting Truth to those who would listen. Jesus was probably about the highest of the prophets, he acheived Oneness with God through the Christ. Now all scriptures bring the same message to the people of thier time that God Is Love and Love is Life. If the Course does not touch on these things then I would deem it to be a false teaching. It is not teaching you the way as Jesus said he was the Way.

I think that as far as I have read the Course that the minds of the two writers have 'coloured' what was said through them. Maybe Iam wrong on that I wouldn't say for sure that this is the case because I would need to read the whole book to reach that conclusion and what my teacher says is not to draw any conclusion but to be open minded because once a person has reached a conclusion the search ends and people are happy to just live with the accumulated knowledge they have and thing that is all they need to know. Which is not the case at all.

All is already in the Mind of God and everything comes from the Mind of God. That is the important thing to keep in our mind.

Regards
Gatsby

Hi Gatsby!

What is underlined above is of utmost importance! Not educating on the subtle bodies is not only a disservice, but it is setting one's followers up for deception, for until we learn about our layers of being, or our subtle bodies - learn and understand the 'sin' that is carried in us in the deeper layers - we are still subject to deception.

We may think we have changed our way or thinking, but until the workings of our subtle bodies have been revealed to us, we will still be deceived by the same layers of subtle bodies within all creation.

Anyone who has had a 'visitation' or a revelation has experienced these subtle bodies, for spiritual visitors, inner guides, etc all speak to us through these layers of our being, and if the layers are impure, we will only be able to receive and hear impure visitors or inner guides.

And another key you have mentioned is this:

Now all scriptures bring the same message to the people of thier time that God Is Love and Love is Life.

True revelations, true visitors, true inner guidance will all come with love and compassion - which is the Way to Unity. Any visitor or inner guidance that comes with judgment and/or other separative tendencies, without unifying love and compasion, is working separation among creation and is a deceiver.

And the only way to learn to discern is to know our own subtle bodies and how they work deception in us - how they veil and blind us, keeping us in ignorance.

Shalom.

Viv