Children in Eternal Death ? Yes/No ?

**headheart** · July 14th 2009, 05:36 PM

I remember the very first time someone asked me this question, I got stuck.

This forum is filled with people with so many different ideas, but when it comes to the death of a child, ..... eternal death, or eternal life ?
Sincerely,
HH.

**Eeset-Shadowgrl** · July 14th 2009, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by headheart

I remember the very first time someone asked me this question, I got stuck.

This forum is filled with people with so many different ideas, but when it comes to the death of a child, ..... eternal death, or eternal life ?
Sincerely,
HH.

Eternal life. The veil is lifted.
Blessings

**David_A_Reed** · July 14th 2009, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by headheart

I remember the very first time someone asked me this question, I got stuck.

This forum is filled with people with so many different ideas, but when it comes to the death of a child, ..... eternal death, or eternal life ?
Sincerely,
HH.

"Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?"
-Gen. 18:25

David

**shunyadragon** · July 14th 2009, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by headheart

I remember the very first time someone asked me this question, I got stuck.

This forum is filled with people with so many different ideas, but when it comes to the death of a child, ..... eternal death, or eternal life ?
Sincerely,
HH.

The bottom line in most religions and churhces is no.

For example, Even though the Roman Church takes a tough stand with adults, If you have knowledge of the One True Church you are obliged to sincerely believe to be saved. It considers children as saved by grace, until the age of consent, or maturity when the Sacrament of confirmation is required.

**Pai Geacademe** · July 14th 2009, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by headheart

I remember the very first time someone asked me this question, I got stuck.

This forum is filled with people with so many different ideas, but when it comes to the death of a child, ..... eternal death, or eternal life ?
Sincerely,
HH.

If you know God, why seek this answer from forum members? And if you say God is using them to answer you, isn't that kind of a cop out?

If you can't even be sure if babies are spared eternal torment, I think it's time to re-evaluate your perception of the divine.

**valkyr** · July 15th 2009, 09:53 AM

No they do not goto hell/eternal death - Scripturally:

Deuteronomy 1:34-39 34 "Then the LORD heard the sound of your words, and He was angry and took an oath, saying, 35 'Not one of these men, this evil generation, shall see the good land which I swore to give your fathers, 36 except Caleb the son of Jephunneh; he shall see it, and to him and to his sons I will give the land on which he has set foot, because he has followed the LORD fully.' 37 "The LORD was angry with me also on your account, saying, 'Not even you shall enter there. 38 'Joshua the son of Nun, who stands before you, he shall enter there; encourage him, for he will cause Israel to inherit it. 39 'Moreover, your little ones who you said would become a prey, and your sons, who this day have no knowledge of good or evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it.

(CHECK vs 39 above)
39 'Moreover, your little ones who you said would become a prey, and your sons, who this day have no knowledge of good or evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it.

Now check Jesus in the NT:
Matthew 19:14 14 But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

Children have no knowledge of good/evil per scripture and there is some relation to "inheriting" the "promised land" given to them both in the OT & NT.

**Pitchforkpat** · July 15th 2009, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by Pai Geacademe

If you know God, why seek this answer from forum members? And if you say God is using them to answer you, isn't that kind of a cop out?

If you can't even be sure if babies are spared eternal torment, I think it's time to re-evaluate your perception of the divine.

You say "babies" are spared eternal torment but when does one stop being a baby so that this free trip to heaven no longer applies?

**Manwë Súlimo** · July 15th 2009, 09:13 PM

Whenever a human being becomes cognizant of morality, they are held accountable, whatever that age may be for them.

**Pitchforkpat** · July 16th 2009, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Beren Erchamion

Whenever a human being becomes cognizant of morality, they are held accountable, whatever that age may be for them.

Perhaps you can explain this a little better. "Cogizant of morality" is a bit vage. Is a 2 year old cognizant of morality when it is told not to steal? Is a four year old cognizent of morality once it's not not to bully others? What does this really mean "cognizant of morality"?

**Mountain Man** · July 16th 2009, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Pitchforkpat

You say "babies" are spared eternal torment but when does one stop being a baby so that this free trip to heaven no longer applies?

Pat is very interested in this question because he thinks he just might qualify.

**headheart** · July 16th 2009, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Pitchforkpat

Perhaps you can explain this a little better. "Cogizant of morality" is a bit vage. Is a 2 year old cognizant of morality when it is told not to steal? Is a four year old cognizent of morality once it's not not to bully others? What does this really mean "cognizant of morality"?

Yes, it is a bit vague, NOT.

**headheart** · July 16th 2009, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by shunyadragon

... until the age of consent, or maturity

Could you please be a bit more specific about what mean by:

the age of consent ?

Or,

the age of maturity ?

Sincerely,
HH.

**Pitchforkpat** · July 16th 2009, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by headheart

Yes, it is a bit vague, NOT.

Well why don't you tell me by what method one might determine if a child has reached "cognizance of morality". If it's not vague, then give me some idea.

**headheart** · July 16th 2009, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Pitchforkpat

You say "babies" are spared eternal torment but when does one stop being a baby so that this free trip to heaven no longer applies?

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It's a good question ?

Sincerely,
HH

**Mountain Man** · July 16th 2009, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by Pitchforbrainspat

Well why don't you tell me by what method one might determine if a child has reached "cognizance of morality". If it's not vague, then give me some idea.

We don't have to make that determination, it's up to God who judges all things perfectly.

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