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    What is Dark Energy?

    From a theistic perspective, what is dark energy? Is it the expansion of the universe that God preprogrammed into creation? And anyone know about dark matter? What other science questions would you love to theoretically ask God for the answer? No debating please! And I reserve the right to keep the thread from getting too weird.
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    Dark energy is the name given the energy to explain the local expansion of the universe being faster than the predicted Hubble expansion.
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    So, how much do we still not know about the universe?
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    basically dark matter and energy are "fudge factors" used to explain holes in our current understanding and math regarding the universe. Neither has ever been detected. It will probably end up with new math and concepts that explain things like the expansion speed of the universe without dark matter or energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    basically dark matter and energy are "fudge factors" used to explain holes in our current understanding and math regarding the universe. Neither has ever been detected. It will probably end up with new math and concepts that explain things like the expansion speed of the universe without dark matter or energy.
    Makes sense. There is so much we still do not know. We may know a bit more than Job did, but God could still give us the "you don't know what you are talking about and there are things you still can't control or comprehend" lecture.
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    Dark matter is what is called the needed and unseen mass in the universe. Dark matter has been imaged and given location by means its observed gravity. The gravitational lensing is measured and made into an image.
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    The blue in the image is the imaged dark matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    Dark matter is what is called the needed and unseen mass in the universe. Dark matter has been imaged and given location by means its observed gravity. The gravitational lensing is measured and made into an image.
    260px-1e0657_scale.jpg
    The blue in the image is the imaged dark matter.
    no, it is, as you said, gravitational lensing effect, shown via computer graphics.

    They THEORIZE it is caused by Dark Matter. It still has not been observed or proven.

    Basically what you are saying is like astronomers using the charts of the retrograde orbits of the planets to prove that epicycles were real. Dark matter may or may not be real. But as of now it is just the explanation for there seeming to be more mass in the universe than we can directly see.


    Now as to CBW's question about how does it affect Christianity? I have no idea. Maybe it is the mass of the spirit world? Yeah that sounds crackpot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    no, it is, as you said, gravitational lensing effect, shown via computer graphics.

    They THEORIZE it is caused by Dark Matter. It still has not been observed or proven.

    Basically what you are saying is like astronomers using the charts of the retrograde orbits of the planets to prove that epicycles were real. Dark matter may or may not be real. But as of now it is just the explanation for there seeming to be more mass in the universe than we can directly see.


    Now as to CBW's question about how does it affect Christianity? I have no idea. Maybe it is the mass of the spirit world? Yeah that sounds crackpot.
    Spiral galaxies rotated like sold wheels instead of what was expected by law of gravity. Only by the addition of mass did the law of gravity as understood work as expected, the needed added mass was called dark matter.

    http://www.darkmatterphysics.com/Gal...l-galaxies.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    Spiral galaxies rotated like sold wheels instead of what was expected by law of gravity. Only by the addition of mass did the law of gravity as understood work as expected, the needed added mass was called dark matter.
    The extra mass could be caused by some other phenomena that we have not discovered yet, or some change in our calculation regarding gravity, or any other number of other things. Sure adding "dark matter" fixes the problem, but that is because it is a "fudge factor" and that is what fudge factors do. They provide a solution to a problem until the ACTUAL solution comes along. When astronomers believed in epicycles, they had to explain why planets seemed to go backwards in their orbits every so often. Well epicycles explained it perfectly and the math worked out exactly! Did that mean that epicycles were real? No. Because once they realize that the Earth went around the sun and so did the planets, then the retrograde problem went away because Earth was orbiting faster than the outer planets so they appeared to go backwards when we overtook them in our orbit.

    Nobody knows what dark matter is. It is just a label for unknown mass needed to explain certain observations. I personally think it makes more sense to believe that it is a flaw in our science and formulas, than there is some mysterious matter out there that we can't see or detect in any way but it has mass and yet no other physicality.

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    It's a lot like Vulcan, made up to make their models "work".

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