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  • #31
    Originally posted by Yttrium View Post
    Second biggest opening ever for the month of December. That's some popular "garbage" there.
    There's a lot of popular garbage, like the prequels which also made George Lucas a lot of money and which are objectively garbage.
    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
      There's a lot of popular garbage, like the prequels which also made George Lucas a lot of money and which are objectively garbage.
      I see that you don't understand what "objectively" means. Personally, I consider Highlander 2 and Aliens 3 to be garbage, but I wouldn't say that even those movies are objectively garbage.
      Middle-of-the-road swing voter. Feel free to sway my opinion.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Yttrium View Post
        I see that you don't understand what "objectively" means. Personally, I consider Highlander 2 and Aliens 3 to be garbage, but I wouldn't say that even those movies are objectively garbage.
        I think there are some things that can make a film "objectively" bad. From a technical perspective the quality of the script, the acting, the direction, cinematography, FX, lighting, and the like can all play parts in deciding whether or not a film is of the same caliber as other films created within the same period, location and genre. I think it's possible to use tools, and an expert eye to critique a film in the same way that someone could any other piece of craftsmanship. When you look at the work of someone like Ed Wood, or Uwe Boll, or Tommy Wiseau, there is no way that one can honestly say that the craftsmanship of those films are comparable to the very best from Stanley Kubrick, Carl Theodor Dreyer, or Akiro Kurosawa. The amount of time and talent that went into the films of the previous three are no way comparable to that of the later three. It's not even close. That's not to say that audiences can't still enjoy the works of Wood, Boll, and Wiseau, but using very objective measurements of craftsmanship, they're nothing like Kubrick, Dreyer, and Kurosawa.

        The Prequels definitely suffer from some very real issues, including narrative, dialogue, acting, and direction. Again, they can be enjoyed despite these issues, but they're objectively poorly crafted films.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Yttrium View Post
          I see that you don't understand what "objectively" means. Personally, I consider Highlander 2 and Aliens 3 to be garbage, but I wouldn't say that even those movies are objectively garbage.
          You seem to be under some strange delusion that your opinion on the matter even matters. My opinion trumps that of the millions of idiots who make Disney rich.
          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
            You seem to be under some strange delusion that your opinion on the matter even matters. My opinion trumps that of the millions of idiots who make Disney rich.


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            • #36
              Originally posted by Adrift View Post
              I think there are some things that can make a film "objectively" bad.
              Oh, sure. We can conclude that films like The Castle of Fu Manchu and Plan 9 from Outer Space are objectively bad. I don't like the tendency of some to jump from one extreme to another, though. It's either great or garbage. I prefer to think that the Star Wars prequels are somewhere in-between, with some good elements mixed in with some not-so-good elements.
              Middle-of-the-road swing voter. Feel free to sway my opinion.

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              • #37
                The prequels dialogue alone is so overwhelmingly bad the film strips would jump off the reel and strangle Lucas to death if they could.
                "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                  There's a lot of popular garbage, like the prequels which also made George Lucas a lot of money and which are objectively garbage.
                  DE speaking as one who was disappointed with episodes 1-3, when I saw "rogue one" I was yes they brought the real Star Wars back to what is was. until you see it you are making an uninformed judgement.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                    You seem to be under some strange delusion that your opinion on the matter even matters. My opinion trumps that of the millions of idiots who make Disney rich.
                    Your opinion does not trump those who went to see the movie. You refuse to go see it. You are speaking from ignorance not from knowledge.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                      The prequels dialogue alone is so overwhelmingly bad the film strips would jump off the reel and strangle Lucas to death if they could.
                      you haven't seen rogue one how do you know it is same as the episodes 1-3 prequels you can't can you DE. you are speaking from ignorance not knowledge.

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                      • #41
                        Sadly I will have to see it tomorrow since I have free tickets, but I don't have to see it to know it's commercialized garbage. The fact that they have the guy from Ip Man doing kung fu in it is reason enough to think it was largely written by Disney's marketing department with some SJW input for good measure.
                        "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                        There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                        • #42
                          Saw it earlier, it was every bit the soylent cinema I was expecting it to be. There was 5, maybe 10 minutes in this entire film that didn't have me asking "why was this made?"
                          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                          • #43
                            Eh, I didn't like it. Cinematically, I thought it was well done. Did drag a bit to begin with but not so badly that I'd really complain. It had little moments I loved but the conclusion, while predictable, wasn't satisfying - not as a Star Wars movie, anyway.

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