Open View in light of First John 3:20

**Freak** · March 16th 2003, 12:30 PM

Doogie, you said: I don't have any trouble with "I won't repent" You see, this is another classic case of someone not biblically sound, and someone who does not know the open view at all, yet wants to call it heresy. Read your Bible again,

That's right the foremost Bible scholars who voted against the open view are Biblically unsound. Right.

Read what the foremost evangelical Bible scholars have decided: http://www.sbts.edu/news/archives/fall2001/NR49.php

The reason you ask? Because of the fact God is perfect. My friend, any change in a perfect God-including a "changed mind"-would mean God changed to something less than perfect since perfection implies completeness, lacking no thing. Change for a perfect Being must be a change for the worst since a perfect God could not change for the better. A "changing perfect God" is, therefore, a contradiction and fails to describe an all-powerful, all-knowing, everywhere-present God. Think about it!

This is not philoshopy per se but theology---the understanding of God's nature.

**Freak** · March 16th 2003, 12:33 PM

Doogie, what part of:
'I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent." --are you having trouble with?

I'm still waiting......

**doogieduff** · March 16th 2003, 05:53 PM

Today @ 09:30 AM
Freak:

Doogie, you said: I don't have any trouble with "I won't repent" You see, this is another classic case of someone not biblically sound, and someone who does not know the open view at all, yet wants to call it heresy. Read your Bible again,

That's right the foremost Bible scholars who voted against the open view are Biblically unsound. Right.

Read what the foremost evangelical Bible scholars have decided: http://www.sbts.edu/news/archives/fall2001/NR49.php

The reason you ask? Because of the fact God is perfect. My friend, any change in a perfect God-including a "changed mind"-would mean God changed to something less than perfect since perfection implies completeness, lacking no thing. Change for a perfect Being must be a change for the worst since a perfect God could not change for the better. A "changing perfect God" is, therefore, a contradiction and fails to describe an all-powerful, all-knowing, everywhere-present God. Think about it!

This is not philoshopy per se but theology---the understanding of God's nature.

You stil haven't responded to my theological posts, and I won't let you just hide behind your computer screen. You said Peter's denial and the prophecy Tyre supported your view and i showed you how they did not.

Yes, your arguement is strictly philosophical. You have yet to see what God wants us to know about Himslef by reading what came directly form His mouth! Your view of "perfect" is a manmade thing, your view that "perfect cannot change" is a manmade thing. Let's have a Theology discussion, not a philosophical arguement. GOD HAS TOLD US ABOUT HIMSELF, YET YOU WOULD RATHER TRY AND FIGURE HIM OUT WITH PHILOSOPHY. Cmon. BTW, I explained to you that the OV doesn't believe God changes. So why do you bring it up again? I hate these online forums, because everybody just conveniently skips over things, and never reads things thoroughly. God doesn't change. He tries Plan A, and sees how man responds. If man responds one way, He sticks with PLan A, if man responds the other way, He goes to plan B. It's rather simple, yet you think "philosophy has figured out God." And "philosophy has figured out that God cannot change." We're not here to make up what we believe about God by philosophy, we're here to read His word and see what He tells us Himself about His attributes.

On a side note. (since OV'ers always get accused of doing this) I will turn the same to you. I believe that God is all-powerful, or omnipotent. An all-powerful God can change if He wants to. Your lessening my God and limiting Him, saying He cannot change.

**doogieduff** · March 16th 2003, 06:02 PM

Today @ 09:33 AM
Freak:

Doogie, what part of:
'I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent." --are you having trouble with?

I'm still waiting......

I already explained, but you apparently don't care what i have to say. If you have kids, and they have done something wrong, and they are going to be punished, they plead for forgiveness. They want you to change your mind on their punishment so they can get off. In certain situations, you will say" No way, I will not go back (repent) on what I said your punishment will be. Not this time kiddo!" Does this mean you never repent? Of course not! If you study your Bible, you will see that God is talking about the certain situation. In each situation, God has clearly stated that He won't repent IN THAT SITUATION. And guess what? He never repented in a situation where He said I will not repent. You're going to have some serious problems witht the Hebrew word "nacham" as it means repent, and the Bible clearly shows God doing just that.

Genesis 6:7 So the Lord said, "I will destroy man whom I have created...for I repent (nacham) that i have made them."

Check your Hebrew dude, God repented.