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What is in debate, did everything have its origin with intelligent design. What to space-time-matter, non life to life, life to intelligence to intelligent design which we as humans think we do.
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I believe God Created all of existence, but I acknowledge that this is a belief. The concept of Intelligent Design is awkward and anthropomorphic. God is a Creator, not an engineer, nor a designer.Originally posted by 37818 View Post
There is no objective evidence nor falsifiable hypothesis nor theory that could objectively demonstrate 'Intelligent Design.'
The existence of a Source some call God(s) can neither be proved nor disproved, therefore the claim that there is an 'Intelligent Designer,' can neither be proved nor disproved. These matters remain a subject of one's belief and faith.Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-17-2014, 04:58 PM. -
Can you explain to me how creation works with out some engineering or a substitute for same, and without design?Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostMicah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?Comment
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When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond TutuComment
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God is the Creator, not some human engineer nor designer. The Will of God is all that there is needed for Creation. Do you really thank you can explain Creation from the fallible human perspective?Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
What could you possible mean by 'a substitute for the same?'Comment
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I cannot.Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
But so what? Am I supposed to believe that whatever I cannot explain cannot have happened?Comment
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God created His own existence? That is absurd. A god has to exist in order to create anything. Existence has to precede such a god. Therefore such a god is not needed to create any existence.Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJVComment
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Or existence and non-existence have no meaning when applied to God.Originally posted by 37818 View PostI'm not here anymore.Comment
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Well that would be true if that god is a non existent entity.Originally posted by Carrikature View Post. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJVComment
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Please be reasonable. When I refer to existence I am not referring to God.Originally posted by 37818 View PostComment
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This is a possibility. Somewhat Pantheistic, but nonetheless a possibility.Originally posted by Carrikature View PostComment
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I did not suggest that any "human" understanding - engineering or design- was responsible for creation. I suspect you are aware of that. Creation was not some magic trick, it was the result of God's perfect knowledge and understanding.Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostMicah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?Comment
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This is ok from a sound theist perspective, but the arguments using anthropomorphic human concepts of intelligent design and engineering, like Plantinga's are bogus, and unscientific. See Dover Trial.Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostComment
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I see, your response was not to what I wrote, but to something you added.Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostMicah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?Comment
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I believe you had posted this.Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
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